Seems like it could be useful for getting rid of some of the more problematic SCP's.
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Hopefully they don't just pop out of a corresponding hole elsewhere…
Since this thing has no gravity, what would happen is someone stuck his arm in and tried to pull it out?
It would be cleanly severed as soon as you stuck it in.
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Start Date: 9/11/09
End Date: 9/25/09
Original author unknown, and rewritten by Dave Rapp, who apparently hasn't been around in months. I'll adopt this one if no one has any objections, and beyond making it Euclid, I'm open to suggestions.
We already have too much "areas wot make stuff vanish". To salvage this would require superhuman imagination IMHO.
OK, thanks. Instead of making it Euclid, now I'm thinking of making it smaller but growing, slowly and inexorably. At the very least make it earn its Keter classification.
That seems uncontainable though. I mean, a growing "black hole" is a pretty big deal, and would eventually lead to the end of the world no matter what.
I would suggest expanding upon where it leads, but I agree with Circeus; it'd be hard to come up with something really original.
Yes, yes it would. And that's why the Foundation is pouring truckloads of resources into stopping or reversing this thing, or coming up with some contingency (though running away is not really an option— first Terra is swallowed, then the rest of the inner solar system, and then once Sol is gone, there's no gravity well to bind the rest of the solar system together).
In any case, here's the revised article. It still doesn't feel done to me, but hopefully it's better, at least enough to fend off deletion.
I noticed that the containment enclosure is gas permeable.
Hypothesis: The "event horizon" grows as a result of gas molecules being absorbed and added to the object's volume.
Reinforcing the enclosure to being airtight will isolate the singularity and essentially stop its growth.
Seems like a reasonable precaution for researchers to take. Might even backfire on them, if whatever is on the other side doesn't appreciate being deprived of air.
A valid hypothesis, but I made it gas-permeable because (in my head) they had originally tried a sealed container, but as more and more gas molecules fell into 094 via Brownian motion, the pressure inside the container dropped until it finally imploded. I might add that to the article at some point.
Well, the maximum pressure exerted on the structure (if the interior was a perfect vacuum and the exterior was normal atmosphere) would be 1 atmosphere; a structure to withstand that sort of pressure would be easy to construct.
Hmm… you have a point, cadence. Building a sealed container that could hold in a near-vacuum would be easy enough, even with the built-in handicap of having to work around 094. The main issues I can think of would be that (1) the container would have to hold up for many months to get any conclusive evidence, and (2) opening the container holding a near-vacuum could be hazardous to anyone or anything nearby. Not major problems though. For the moment, I'll say, they tried it and it didn't change anything, and rather than dealing with the potential implosion hazard, they made it gas-permeable.
ieverin, I'm sure there are a bunch of hypotheses about where 094 came from, but not a lot of testing of anything not directly related to How Do We Make It Stop Growing.
Ok, sounds fair. I just mentioned it because it seemed an obvious experiment to try, not because it really bothered me or anything. Your revision, by the way, did a good job of saving the article. I'm looking forward to seeing what else you do with it.
Thanks! I've got some other ideas for some other experimentation, though I don't want to bloat the article up too much.
mmmmm, i totally forgot about this one. much likey, much likey. in its original state it seems the sort of thing you'd OBVIOUSLY try to dispose of 682 into….this though….i think it'd be worthwhile to include a note along the lines of "due to the potential for added mass to increase the volume of area covered at a higher rate, no self-replicating or regenerative SCP's are to be disposed of into SCP-094". who knows where the material is coming from for 682 to repair himself? can you imagine sticking him in and suddenly this thing starts growing at a rate of an inch a minute? great way for him to accomplish his goals!
The math in this one seems way off. If it's growing about one millimeter per month, then, assuming no acceleration, in three hundred years it will not have grown to be "half a kilometer wide", as the article states, but merely increased its diameter to just about 5 meters (which leads me to believe somewhere in the original calculation two additional zeros have slipped in).
I'd suggest changing it to past measurements already showing an exponential growth, which is still slow, but the extrapolation of which indicates it will grow to a size in the order of hundreds to thousands of meters in size within a few centuries (I would do it myself, but I'm not sure whether that wouldn't qualify as the kind of major change that should be accepted by the original author first - my apologies, I just joined the site).
If desired, I'd volunteer to produce a plot that shows the past and extrapolated growth of that thing (though only after New Year's… I won't have time during the holidays).
…y'know, I'm not sure which is worse: that I screwed up the math in the first place, or that it took more than two years for someone to point out the error. I think I know what I did wrong though (I think I jumped straight from centimeters to meters), but that does totally screw up the conception I had for it. Dammit. Even if I upped the rate of increase to a centimeter a month, which would still be imperceptible to the naked eye, it would still only be 50 meters across after 300 years— unnerving, but still not quite an existential crisis.
Winterwind, I'm not quite sure how I want to deal with this. Geometric growth is certainly a possibility, but so are tweaking the constant growth, or just making it grow at an inconsistent, unpredictable rate. For the moment, I'm going to jigger it so at least the math works, and decide on a long-term solution later. I'm certainly open to suggestions, especially about what values to plug in.
My suggestion? Say that it was 20 cm when found, is about 160 cm now, and appears to double its size every 25 years (which would at the moment give it a growing rate of just a few millimeters a year - right now, 4.4 cm/year, if I'm not mistaken). These numbers are closer to your initial ones, and will give this thing a diameter of about 410 meters in 200 years - slightly sooner than your original numbers, but I think still distant enough to stay true to the original concept. And it makes what follows seem even more scary.
Or rather, choose numbers that are similar to the ones above, but are a bit less round to make it seem more realistic. Humans may like multiples of fives and tens, as they are easy to work with, but nature usually isn't as convenient.
Done, with some slight modifications which I hope haven't twisted the numbers back out of whack. Thanks!
Also, you can't store this in a gas filled chamber. Random movement of the atmosphere within will eventually result in it all getting sucked in.
I prefer our other black hole, just because it has a picture.
Hopefully this doesn't count as a necropost, but this didn't age well…
Should the note at the end of the article refer to it as "094" instead of "94," or does that not matter very much?
Edited. SCP objects are always, always, always referred to with the full three digits.
I thought so. Actually because I remembered seeing a comment you made about the same thing.
my hypothesis it is rip in our universe, and "The blackness" is the void between universes, I would have said that possibly something from another universe or ours crated that hole to escape into or out of our universe. but two things seem out of place 1 the hole didn't close up so what ever it was running from (if thats the case could easily follow it and more importunely 2 NOthing no sound could possibly travel thru the void so pro-haps something is attempting to merge our universe together?
eather way nicely done +1 for u
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