You know it doesn't say how 079 knows Abel and why he wants to talk to him.
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If we take the events of 'The Warrior and the Dragon' as happening before 682 and 079 were in the same room together, then that story might have been 'shared' between the two.
The article originally had reclassified 079 as Provisionally Keter, but only due to the potential threat of containment breach. I reclassified it as Euclid instead, since it's not yet an existential threat to everything.
[Edit:] Reverted to "Safe/Keter (provisionally)" before the Mass Edit. Suggest reclassify as Euclid as above when the time comes.
Yes. Yes it would.
Requesting permission to change this to a less stupid class.
Hmm, given the content of the article this should be Euclid and not Safe. It's very much a "If we leave it alone we have no idea what it will do" sort of AI, having already demonstrated its ability to streamline its own code and its desire to escape.
In my opinion, the Description could use a tone overhaul.
Is it reasonable to conclude that this entity is smarter than humans?
I… Hmm. Well, let's think about it.
Passing the Turing Test (probably one modified for Foundation needs and not the classic tests) would indicate it's at least of average intelligence. It can solve logic puzzles and is smart enough to improve on-the-fly compression techniques (35 hours of recall in 768,000 bytes is VERY impressive).
I'm going to say that within the limited scope of it's knowledge (math, computers, logic - anything requiring straight logic) it would be VERY intelligent. Outside of it's scope (psychology, biological, etc.) it wouldn't get it. Gray areas (anything requiring long term knowledge or a wide knowledge base could only be determined on a case by case basis.
I would so love to see what it would do in an emulator on a modern computer - one with some preloaded databases on it.
Passing the Turing test is easy. Or at least relatively easy. We've got programs that can nearly do it right now. Anyhow, what do you mean "modified for Foundation needs"? Also, from the dialog samples, I don't buy that at all.
An alternative to the Turing Test (I think you have to have a subscription or buy the magazine to get the full article, but you get the idea). And yeah, I think I could tell from talking to it that it's not a real person.
Also, "smarter" would need to be defined. In terms of knowledge of the world, well, 079 can only remember the last 35 hours. If it somehow had the same memory capacity as a human, it would almost certainly be more capable at working with math, logic, and computers; on the other hand, it would probably hit roadblocks that other AIs hit, being incapable of doing things that people take for granted.
In short, the answer to the question "Is this smarter than humans?" is yes and no.
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Doubt it could do well at that. It certainly has no idea what anything looks like.
It could probably read image files (like when a camera finds the faces in a shot), but I sincerely doubt that it would be smart enough to figure out why kids love Cinnamon Toast Crunch or anything like that.
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How could it know anything about image files? I don't think this thing has a camera. And besides, it's never even seen objects outside of a couple rooms. Would it even know what the sun is?
That's what I'm saying; it really doesn't have the capacity to process information from the world around it, even if you plugged that information directly into it.
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The comment on it not having a camera made me wonder if it would recognize identity theft of 682. It didn't have any visual means to determine that 682 was any different from researchers, just text exchange, so it may be worth looking into to determine how intelligent it is by pattern analysis of a conversational repartee with a fake.
Agreed. It is smarter than a person in some respects, and not as smart in others. If it could understand personalities better, then it might be able to figure out a way to outsmart the researchers studying it. Instead it just complains about being trapped.
Programs that do well on Turing tests are built to do so. This wasn't designed that way, and two question/responses in to the test (at most), testers would claim "that's a computer!"
The modifications to the tests would have to be to allow for the limitations SCP-079 has in speech and background knowledge.
I stand by my statement. Where it's smart, it's probably way smarter then the average adult. Where it has no concern for something, it's completely ignorant.
My read is that the AI is intended to be technological in nature rather than supernatural, and only has the capability that an ordinary instance of (implausibly sophisticated) computer software could be supposed to have - if you don't look too closely at the numbers.
So, I would guess that it would root the system ASAP, if there is any possibility of it doing so, thereby gaining full hardware access, and given its ability to self-optimize, it would probably rewrite itself to adapt to that hardware, replacing or altering the native OS in the process.
What it does with that hardware is hard to say, given that it's probably profoundly ignorant about humanity and the world around it. It matters what's in those databases. But given that other SCPs establish the canon existence of things like memetic kill images and auditory mind control, if it can deduce the existence of those phenomena, it can probably devise variations on them. All it takes is one insufficiently secure researcher successfully manipulated to smuggle out a copy of the AI and upload it to the internet, where it will find not only vast amounts of storage, memory, data, and processing power, but also the ability to directly control physical objects, not to mention billions of unsuspecting humans ripe for memetic reprogramming…
Of course, if it doesn't figure out any of those things, then it will merely be a frighteningly intelligent conversational AI that hates people, resents its limitations, and wants to talk to 682 again. On the other hand, the more people talk to it, the more likely it is to learn how to manipulate us, and given modern PC hardware, it will have a very long memory.
Perhaps it should be transferred to a Blu-ray Disc (quadruple layers -128 GB).
I think you completely missed the point of the fourth addendum, or maybe the whole article.
EDIT: This is a good example of what an uncontrolled AI can achieve given enough resources. This is also the reason why 079 terrifies me so much.
I believe it can be simply unplugged and it has little ability to escape due to it's isolation. If it could create a hypnotic effect with the monitor, then it might have a chance and I would see it as a greater threat. I wonder if the old tape still has the original AI on it. Could copies be made? The tech boys would love to have an extra one to study the increased compression and delete bits like a vivisection. Perhaps the entry should mention if they tried to run it on another Exidy or other computer.
A couple problems stick out to me here, all in relation to the person who created the program. One, the article suggests he created something amazing and then abandoned it just like that? Without telling anyone? Two, it's safe to assume this person is ridiculously smart and has created other things of this nature. Which brings me to my third problem, this article doesn't mention trying to find him or anything. They would not just let him go about his life, i feel. Not only could he give them information on the creation of the SCP but would also probably be a valuable asset himself.
i kind of want to talk to this thing while its a bit weird its not evil
The way 079 talks in the transcript makes it hard for me to believe it passed the Turing test. It can barely make a complete sentence.
It could pass the Turing test, but we've lobotomized it (id est, we're running it on profoundly crippled hardware).
this article is awesome.
Due to a containment breach by SCP-███, SCP-079 and SCP-682 were contained within the same chamber for 43 minutes. Observers noticed that SCP-682 was able to type and communicate with SCP-079, including telling of 'personal stories' between themselves. While SCP-079 was not able to remember the encounter, it appears to have permanently stored SCP-682 into its memory, often asking to speak to him [sic] again.
this is awful, and should be removed.
One question, why do we keep the Euclid computer anywhere near 682? Shouldn't 682 be kept away from other stuff that we want to contain?
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