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For The FBI group, perhaps we should change it to something not paranormal. Unusual Incidents, or such, to avoid such a direct reference to the paranormal, since sucha thing would likely be first for budget cuts, or removal by any Director.
Dr Bright
Question would if the UIU was a British government intelligence offshot would it be MI6 or MI5? or a separate Majesties Intelligence.
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The UIU equivalent in Britain would probably a Special Forces/ Special Operations branch, such as SO15.
But I thought the equivalent to the FBI was British MI5? and isn't it the SAS I'm not quite sure.?
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The Federal Bureau of Investigation fills two roles in the United States: it is the federal level criminal investigative service (the function most people think of when they hear "FBI") and the agency responsible for domestic intelligence operations (primarily but not exclusively counterintelligence and counterespionage). In the latter capacity, it is the only organization within the US intelligence community (IC) specifically tasked with performing operations within the United States and traditionally the only agency in the IC allowed to investigate US citizens in-country (there are a few exceptions to this, but they are rare). Since the PATRIOT Act was passed in 2002, the water has muddied some, but in the vast majority of circumstances domestic intelligence operations are the FBI's bailiwick, rather than, say, the CIA's. It is worth noting that the United States IC is downright Byzantine in its bureaucratic organization, and very few countries have organized their ICs in the same way.
To determine the British (or for that matter any other country's) counterpart to the UIU, it becomes necessary to consider two things: first, is the UIU part of the FBI's law enforcement capacity or its intelligence capacity; second, where would the other country's government have a comparable unit (law enforcement, military, intelligence, independent organization, etc.)? If we assume the UK organizes its governmental capacity to handle the paranormal in the same manner as the United States, then their counterpart to the UIU would be either part of the Security Service (what most people refer to as MI5 - this organization is the domestic intelligence agency for the UK) or part of the British police force (I'd guess probably a wing of the Metropolitan Police Service, but someone with more familiarity about the UK's police structure would be better able to answer that than I). However, I doubt the UK's counterpart agency would be specifically subordinated to either, rather being an independent organization in service to the Crown.
So you mean like a separate majesties's intelligence or no? so maybe like a MI8 or M17
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Well, "MI" is an artifact acronym dating back to the Directorate of Military Intelligence, which was part of the British War Office. The original organization that eventually became the DMI was the Department of Topography & Statistics, founded in 1854. Different sub-organizations weren't called "MI#" until WWI. The DMI was absorbed into the Defence Intelligence Staff (DIS) in 1964, when the War Office was subsumed by the Ministry of Defence (though some parts of the DMI's duties were transferred to other parts of the MoD outside the DIS). Today, only MI5 and MI6 remain, and the "MI" titles are not actually the organizations' titles anymore, but rather just colloquial terms for the Security Service and the Secret Intelligence Service, respectively. A listing of the various "MI" departments that existed at various points can be found on this page; the only two numbers that never existed outside of fiction are MI13 and MI18. If the British had a UIU counterpart as part of the DMI when it existed, my suspicion is it would have been part of MI10, which handled weapons and technical analysis during WWII. That organization was one of several that got absorbed after the war into the Government Communications Headquarters, or GCHQ, which today1 is the British counterpart to the American NSA, responsible for SIGINT, COMINT, and ELINT. Whether a hypothetical British department for paranormal analysis (or whatever one might call it) would have made the transition with the rest of MI10 to the GCHQ or spun off either into its own organization or been absorbed by some other part of the British government could really go either way, depending on how an author chose to write it. Both such eventualities would be plausible to me as a scholar of intelligence history.
That said, it would have been equally plausible if the British counter-anomaly organization were its own organization, independent of the military or intelligence apparatuses since its inception (which could conceivably have been hundreds of years ago). If that were the case, there would undoubtedly have been bureaucratic turf battles between that organization and the military and intelligence communities (in as much as those communities were aware of the organization's existence), since government organizations as a general rule never get as much money or bureaucratic control as they would like.
Question would it be worth it to propose an idea of a British version of the UIU but more competent or no? I was thinking along the lines of MI8 or MI9 or MI10
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If you and others can write them into a few SCPs without making them feel redundant with the UIU, then yes. We won't add anything to the list before it's supported by articles, though.
if your reading this your gay
Certainly, but "X but Y" is not the most enticing of ideas. I'd try to think of something more interesting than "UIU but awesome and also british" before posting anything.
Also, we already have a more competent version of the UIU; it's called the Foundation.
I'm kind of skeptical about the existence of a black market for SCPs.
Skeptical!?! Dude, have you ever been to New York City? I could buy lethal doses of every drug known to man, a hooker for every day of the year, a car stolen from James Dean, and the Hope Diamond, all in under 12 hours.
I'd imagine items like [[SCP-005]] had an interesting history involving more than one bank heist. And who wouldn't want SCP-150?
I would spend incomprehensible amounts of money to possess most of the safe or Euclid class objects, personally.
How much would you spend for SCP-999? Sorry, dude. I couldn't resist. BTW, I actually would like your opinion as to whether 999 is improved enough to be readable. If you still dislike the fundamental concept I understand, but I did follow a good deal of your advice.
I was thinking more along the lines of there would be no buyer's market left after every organization on the planet sweeps in to terminate the owners and reclaim the objects. Sure, the seller might be able to protect his group, but individuals, no matter how rich, couldn't possibly hope to hold out against any of the other GoIs.
I made Marshall, Carter, and Dark Ltd. as a non-combative rival. Like a auction house/club for the super-rich. Maybe even pulling strings on other groups, but always behind the scenes. I wanted a group that is not a "guns blazing" kind of organization.
I think a video game would be a great outlet Bijhan, just no idea how to go about doing it.
hells yeah, video game! I just thought of that as I read this today, actually. some sort of FPS, with you working for the foundation as some spec-ops security squad member, and then Site-whatever gets attacked by the CotBG, all screaming "heretic!" and throwing molotovs… then you end up going undercover and finding some obscenely complex plot that leads back to like 1 guy, who's trying to get some weird combination of SCPs together to end the world or gain immortality or something.
1 guy, who's trying to get some weird combination of SCPs together to end the world or gain immortality or something.
Wasn't there a TV miniseries mmuch to this effect?
Yeah, it was called The Lost Room. Kick ass Sci-Fi Channel miniseries.
Removed "Gold Alfa Vacuum". Whoever added this needs to learn the phonetic alphabet.
There's already 950 million Gavs running around as it is. (OK, maybe not for another 1000 years, but still, there'll be plenty.)
I'm not contesting the removal - it can definitely be argued the material was irrelevant or didn't add enough - but Gold Alfa Vacuum wasn't wrong NATO phonetic for "GAV". It was intended to be a security codeword using the pattern 'color, NATO phonetic letter, nonsense placeholder word'. GAV was just a shortened version of the full codeword, which could, for added confusion, be expanded to Golf Alpha (or Alfa, that's a different dispute) Victor.
If you're not questioning the removal,then the point is moot.
A question:
A lot of newbies have expressed enjoyment of 'The Factory.' My question to you is, why? What about the Factory do you like?
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It's mysterious, to the point where one doesn't know if it even exists (at least in this world/universe). It seems to mass-produce incredibly useful (and Safe-class) SCPs, which appeals to me because I'm the type that tries to look for uses for SCPs. You never know if you've got all of a given object, or if there are more floating around somewhere, or if more will be produced and appear later. You're dealing with an unknown party that apparently possesses extremely advanced technology, and you've got no idea who or where they are, nor what their agenda is.
Ideally, I'd like to see no new information appear on The Factory - the very fact that none of the major groups (the Foundation, MC&D, CBG, IRG, CI) seem to know anything about it adds greatly to the mystique.
I like it because it is a shared origin for some of the SCPs. Most of them are just there, unknowable and unknowing, and all the Foundation can do it contain them to the best of their ability. The Factory SCPs are different in that we don't know the cost of using them, just that they were intended to be used; we don't know how they work, much less how they were made, but we know there were made, industrially at that; and we don't know the intended consumer audience, but the fact there is a consumer audience is scary enough. Add that to the fact that the Factory SCPs are mass-produced and you have a frightening series of SCP articles on your hands.
The things it produces often seem to be intended for use in crime or immoral acts. The part of me that loves heist movies digs the idea of an organisation dedicated to producing relics with criminal intent.
Basically, for me, it's about the possible target customers. The factory seems to be one of the more gloriously mercenary groups in the Foundation universe.
The fact that they have no known motive whatsoever is a big one as well.
Step 1: Create and sell SCPs
Step 2: ???
Step 3: PROFIT!
Admin, SCP Wiki
The site has cataloged several SCPs so far which have been stolen or reobtained by other factions, such as MC&D or the IRG. However, as we know these groups possess many additional anomalous artifacts which the SCP Foundation may never have acquired, I see a niche for dossiers on these items in the form of comprehensive containment plans predicted to secure them if the Foundation eventually succeeds in their acquisition, before they can be studied and a more efficient containment protocol may be devised.
Possible examples are MC&D's "glass card" maker (evidenced by the cards themselves on members' persons), a Factory device to power and guide manufacturing equipment (evidenced by absent cores in otherwise un-anomalous abandoned equipment), clockwork weapons seen in use by high-ranking Broken God cultists, etc. These items' files would mainly be categorized by theoretical containment protocols, key recognition factors for field agent use, possible locations and owners, and the incident reports which led the Foundation to assume the existence of the item. Much data, necessarily, would be unknown or expunged.
Is this a good idea?
Well, I think part of this is what the GOC website's for… even though they're focusing on broader types of anomalous objects (and how to kill them) while the SCP Foundation concentrates on containing them individually, its inevitable that some things will end up with a passing mention, especially with the case study note sections.
FO0, while later canonized in-story by Fishmonger, was not originally one of his creations and therefore should not be removed from the site. (See revision 6 of the GOI page.)
The Man in Black was changed sufficiently by fishmonger to merit deletion as "foo". Should kain feel it necissary to once again add the Man in Black, rest assured that it will be done, but as it stands, we have lost little.
Yeah, I did add the man in black. Fish was the one who decided to call him foo…
*shrugs*
I only put him in 'cause he seemed to fit the theme of the site at the time… Now I'm not too sure…
I did quite like the man in black, or at least the concept of that character, and think you should put it back.
Fish had a story about a guy named Kilroy. Foo is another name for Kilroy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kilroy_was_here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foo_was_here
That;s what I thought it was.
