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At risk of opening a massive can of worms, I think something needs to be done with the O0 entry, because this page is a bit more "official" by its nature. I'd say strike through it, with a note from O5 or equivalent. Just something to no longer have one user more special than any other, at least in this hierarchy.
Honestly it had me confused for the longest time as a noob. I thought Fish was some sort of elusive and enigmatic hero who ran the whole place from behind the scenes.
The funny part there, sampi, is that so did fish.
"A SCP" or "an SCP", which is correct? This page has both, shouldn't it use only one?
I've switched them all to "an", since SCP begins with a vowel sound.
Bright, why are were are there 13 O5s?
Been that way for a while. Mostly, for the purposes of voting. If an issue comes down to a vote of the O5s, they need to be an odd number, to avoid ties.
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Well, I can sort of understand that for role-play purposes, maybe, but the number twelve is a bit cooler than thirteen, don't you think? At least, it has a few more connotations. Also, it gives us a use for that "administrator" office we keep hearing about.
I honestly feel that 13 sounds better then 12. More connotations. Also, I don't think the Adminstrator actually shows up anywhere.
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He doesn't that I know of. And I agree with bright that 13 is a number with more and better connotations than 12.
Okay, okay, you got me. I just wanted to keep pretending we were affiliated with other secret evil councils.
Think maybe there should be some official distinction between Class-D personnel used as expendable laborers in the upkeep of dangerous SCPs, and those used as guinea pigs for experiments?
This seems to be missing the elusive B-Class, which I've seen in a few articles and tales. For those that may not know, Class-B personnel are basically ascended D-Class, who are considered too useful to terminate or throw into 682's mouth or whatever. I know it's extremely rare, and not used very often on the site, but it's still a thing.
The what? The only Class-B I've ever seen were amnestics. I think there was maybe a D-class that got promoted to Level 0 Security Clearance because he turned out to have specialized skills perfectly suited to the handling the SCP, but that's the only possible promotion I've ever seen. Once D-class, you're D-class for life, baby.
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Eh, maybe you're right. However I do remember it being a recurring thing, just very, VERY obscure. Nevertheless, there is no canon.
The definition of class D in here seems to no longer be accurate - D-Class duties seem to have expanded a lot in the time since this was written to be more 'human guinea pig' rather than just 'Keter class handlers'.
I'm still super new, so I'm loathe to attempt a major edit like that on such a pivotal page - I'm just going to leave this note and hope someone with some foundation-cred finds it.
D class staff are used as handlers by a long time, it's just that they don't get clear reference in most documents. It's a given that you don't send an operative if specific skills are not needed. D class are the standard body sack that you can throw around when body sacks are fine.
To me, the headscratcher is the really low number of D class numbers. You rarely see D class IDs in the five digits, but knowing the organization supposedly "uses" some hundred D class an year, they should already being in the 10'000+ number.
Maybe D class that are terminated with eventless notes are just deleted from records and the number reused, but it would be sloppy procedure.
Yeah, I think there's a general mismanagement of D-Class personnel on the site, with people either using agents/researchers when they should be using D-class, or using D-class personnel when they should be using chimps/dogs/cows.
All Class D personnel are to be terminated at the first of the month, and a new staff must be ready to replace them. After placement in quarters, staff must only contact Class D personnel through intercom system. All Class D personnel are to be given a minimum of one (1) polygraph test at 1800 on a daily basis. Failure to comply will result in termination. Failure to pass test will result in termination. In event of any abnormalities, termination of entire Class D personnel is advised, as well as any SCP personnel that have had basic interaction with them.
Also, all of most of this doesn't float by me. This seems unnecessary and wasteful on various levels.
There are a couple of explanations for this. Out-of-universe, this is a relic from the first incarnations of the Foundation, and D-class were disposable basically as a way for showing the Foundation's utter lack of scruples in sacrificing people as a way of testing/containing SCP items. In-universe, I see it basically as internal propoganda to assuage the guilt of researchers. "Yeah, that guy you're sending to his death is a multiple child rapist/murderer and was gonna be killed at the end of the month anyway. Might as well get some use out of him first."
Giving bearhugs to the unsuspecting since 1872.
From what I've seen, this is one of the single most divisive issues between site members in terms of canon. This single issue really is the dividing line between an amoral and deontologist Foundation and a compassionate and regretful Foundation.
I honestly just omit the "terminate at the first of the month" from my headcanon entirely.
Have to agree this is pointless on many degrees. Aside from the obvious moral atrocity (heightened with Protocol 12 involving "innocents" and lesser miscreants), this is basically a system that, given the massive size of the SCP and the thousands of SCPs around the world, operating for decades, is going to inevitably draw attention and reaction from the local populace. Escalated to its most extreme, you'd most likely end up with the SCP having to control the entire world.
I see it like this; Class-D's are requisitioned each month from the worst of the worst criminal offenders. That would last barely a few years. There simply aren't that many convicted murderers/rapists/thieves out there in the entire world. If they keep wasting D personnel at the end of each month, they'd have to reach out to requisition convicted criminals of lesser crimes. Soon prisons will be experiencing population drops. Then what happens? You start requisitioning nonviolent offenders, minor drug offenders, and so on. By that point, the public would become very much aware that prisoners are disappearing, and the longer it goes on, the more likely the civilians begin to violently lash out, perhaps first at their own governments, but eventually stumbling upon or discovering the SCP foundation.
I'm reminded also of a scene from the movie "The Crazies", where the military begins quarantine procedures on the town in question to prevent the disease thing from escaping and containing it. Because they were essentially rounding up people, Iraq War-style, without telling anyone anything, a troupe of hicks in a pickup truck drove onto the facility, broke open the gates, opened fire on the military, and despite all getting killed in the shootout, they caused lots of the infected people to escape, necessitating the military drop a nuke on the entire town.
This all seems exceedingly extreme, but given the way the SCP operates in a realistic modern world, it's in no way feasible to have hundreds of thousands-even millions- of violent criminals "disappear" every single year on a monthly basis.
This is especially pointless and wasteful given the existence of amnesiacs. If the information retained by Class-D personnel is sensitive, why not use amnesiacs on them, so as to re-use them, and then presumably be able to release some of them with no knowledge (or faked memories) of what they'd been doing for X amount of time. Like a parole-type dealy, where prisoners "volunteer" to work for the SCP Foundation for reduced sentences, thinking they're picking up litter or filing reports when they've actually been interacting with SCPs and narrowly escaping with their lives?
You make a very good point that running through that many people would become fairly obvious fairly quickly. However, releasing them following testing has its own problems, foremost of which is the unpredictable lasting effects of SCP exposure.
Say you do some testing, nothing happens, you make your note, and at the end of the month you release the personnel with fake memories. Much later there is a massive surge in prison killings with the perpetrators supposedly showing superhuman strength and speaking in an unknown language. Or maybe they slowly develop reality-bending abilities over the course of several years and by the time it comes to the Foundation's attention it's too late to contain them. Yes, disposing of the personnel means you'd never uncover these effects, but you'd also not unknowingly release them on the world.
For what it's worth, I don't have a good resolution to the issue, and my head-canon largely skips over it as much as possible.
In that case, they could be contained permanently, and the Foundation could have, say, 10,000-50,000 Class-D Personnel at all times, to be re-used as necessary. Or they could even requisition an entire prison for themselves, and house all their D's there. Literally anything involving a stagnant population of Class-D would be preferable to what is literally systematic genocide.
Not even going into the logistics of what constitutes "crime"- someone convicted of a murder might've been coerced into it, or taking the fall for a family member or loved one, or even falsely accused altogether. Not to mention minor crimes, or innocent mistakes, that would be considered "violent" in another culture that neighbors an SCP facility.
Same issue applies. Suddenly you've got a facility containing 50,000 personnel that may or may not develop strange/dangerous side-effects over some unknown time period that we may or may not be able to detect. Not to mention the mess that indirect cross-testing can cause.
Like I said, I haven't heard a solution that would survive contact with reality. There are problems every way you look at it.
This discussion is kinda moot because, as Drewbear pointed out far above, this page is immensely out of date. There is a rewrite in the works, and it will address pretty much everything that's been brought up.
This comforts me a bit. I recognize this is all fiction and such, but the more I thought about it, the more agitated and disturbed I became, on a moral level. It seems to me that, if this system were canon, then the SCP would be more responsible for human death and suffering than any of the SCPs being (successfully) contained, and would eventually (if not already) put the Ottoman Empire and Nazi Germany to shame. Criminals or not, they're still people.
You do realise that in the US alone, 2300 people go missing, daily? D-class, all of them.
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That doesn't speak well for the SCP at all, not to mention how many of those who go missing are children
Except that they aren't "all" D-class and that makes no sense at all. They go missing because of individual circumstances. Only 100,000 of the 900,000 cases are classified "endangered", the rest aren't kidnapped, they either went somewhere without telling anyone or died without anyone knowing. They are, as described in the article, as heterogenous a group as you are likely to get. People don't notice 2,300 individual cases of people going missing per day when there is no connection whatsoever between them.
People would sure as hell notice if there was that many people disappearing each day with a really, really obvious connection between them. And if the Foundation is abducting random people, then A: why are they cooperative as if they are serving time for something that they think will get them out sooner, B: why is the Foundation carrying out Skeletor levels of evil without anyone saying "we really should blow the whistle on this", C: why have they fixated on the least efficient possible way to get new recruits?
This is in addition to the monthly termination being not only pointlessly evil but incredibly stupid and wasteful. If the Foundation was a real organization, I don't care what kind of crazy laws of physics were being broken, whoever was responsible for coming up with "monthly terminations" would have his eyes gouged out and their sockets spit into by the *thousands* of training and HR personnel they employ. "Hey, we have all these weird physics-breaking objects, some of which go apeshit if people don't interct with them in a very specific proscribed manner. Let's make it so we have to retrain, from scratch, all the people we use to interact with these things, and do so every single month!"
I love you Huitzil, and most likely only because I am currently intoxicated at the moment. But you are right; the SCP is not fuckin Voldemort stomping on Death Eaters because they smell funny, there are procedures and stuff in place, and they're supposed to be PROTECTING humanity, dammit, not slowly exterminating it from the bottom-up
My reply to Huitzil:
Point A: Light amnestics.
Point B: I would argue that they're doing it for the greater good, taking the people that have no one left for them, but it all really comes down to head canon.
Point C: Also up to head canon. I would think there employing several methods in obtaining D-Class, including death row inmates and offering "jobs" to the homeless.
And I agree, monthly termination is pretty stupid, and I don't believe in it; this is also up to head canon. I do like to think that they're using a massive amount of amnestics (where they're getting it from, I'll leave that up for your imagination) to reuse each person.
I'm going to be honest and say I am not a fan of the amnestics either, when they are used as plot-hole spackle and "get out of consequences free" cards. Which they are, pretty much constantly. It really makes the Foundation a Mary Sue organization, when they answer to nobody, all the governments in the world defer to them, they have unlimited resources, and they can wave the magic amnestics wand and solve any human problem they have.
Telekill alloy was expunged from the wiki for way, way less than amnestics are guilty of.
(They would also have to be dosing way too many people outside with amnestics to prevent anyone from noticing that not one single person who has ever accepted this alternative sentencing or "job offer" has ever shown up alive again.)
I've seen some articles use O-5 Council instead of O5 Council. So is it O-5 or O5?
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