Thanks to VAELynx, Meserach, DrSevere and SRegan for helping me rework what once tanked into something that - hopefully - passes muster.
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MUCH better than the previous version. The historical implications are definitely creepier, and you utilized the GOI very well. Upvote.
Giving bearhugs to the unsuspecting since 1872.
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The SS made a device capable of, somehow, controlling the speech of a 'target'? Jesus Fucking Christ. Thank the Allfather that that bumbling fool Himmler was running the show, and that Heydrich was killed before he could make his move on power..
Also a good question: why did the SS never use it again? And did the Russians ever use it? And if not, why not?
The nazis not using it is again is actually pretty simple to explain. Hitler wanted war in 1938, before he got the Munich Agreement(masterminded mostly by alot of quick-thinking and masterful diplomacy by Goering). He felt he had been 'cheated', and 'swindled' out of his war. Come 39, with the conflict over the corridor, he wasn't going to have some last-minute deal brokered to swipe his war from him again.
This has been stenciled over in white paint with "ГРУ дивизион - Психотроники - #12".
The Russian wiki translates GRU Division "P" as "ГРУ, Отдел "Психотроника"". Apart from being an already established translation, it's also more accurate: дивизион is almost never used in Russian, with Division being better translated as дивизия or отдел, and while both Психотроника and Психотроники can be translated to English as Psychotronics, the former is a branch of science, while the latter are people with psychic powers and might not actually be a real word.
Chemical analysis of the ink used on SCP-1118-2 sets and comparison to reference samples provides an approximate time of manufacturing.
Yet that time is never stated in the article.
Efforts to retrieve and contain SCP-1118 are sabotaged by Ahnenerbe and Abwehr operatives, both within and outside of the Foundation.
I love the implications of this.
Also the article as a whole is very good. It's rare to see history used for horror in a skip, but this one does it really well.
The Russian wiki translates GRU Division "P" as "ГРУ, Отдел "Психотроника"". Apart from being an already established translation, it's also more accurate: дивизион is almost never used in Russian, with Division being better translated as дивизия or отдел, and while both Психотроника and Психотроники can be translated to English as Psychotronics, the former is a branch of science, while the latter are people with psychic powers and might not actually be a real word.
Seriously, will you believe I completely forgot the Russian wiki would probably have translated that for me? D'OH! Will fix immediately.
Yet that time is never stated in the article.
It's in Addendum 1118-A-1.
Also the article as a whole is very good. It's rare to see history used for horror in a skip, but this one does it really well.
Thank you.
I'm sorry I never got back to you about your draft. I didn't have the facilities all weekend to do a good line-by-line for you like I wanted. :( Most of my problems were with awkward phrasing that have clearly already been resolved. I like this version way more than the last one. Last time it felt like a cheap joke on Pres. Bush Jr. Now it feels like a sinister political manipulation plot, which is much better.
+1. Good work, buddy.
Hey, no problem. A request for help on a draft is not an obligation. I would have loved to have gotten your input too, but I'd reached the point where every edit I made to the draft was beginning to feel like I was overwhipping the cream. So to speak. Thanks for the praise.
Nicely done - I don't think the Truman transcript was in last time I saw this and it's a really great addition. +1
One thing I don't understand - how does the typewriter pick its target? The Foundation must know, because they used it on the class d. I assumed it was whoever's teeth was in the typewriter, but I think someone would have noticed that suspiciously German dentist removing Chamberlain's teeth.
The teeth can be anyone's, but the procedure needed to attune a set of prepared molars to their intended target was adapted by the Ahnenerbe from an ancient ritual recovered in the hunt for the roots of the Aryan master race. I only hint at it in the article (and try to imply something by the fact that creating the -D set needed an Ethics Committee sanction) to emphasize the fact that it is *not* a nice thing to do.
I could probably flesh it out in its entirety, but I prefer to leave its shadow hanging over the article.
I had the same question as the crab above, and I think there's too little info. I see your rationale for not explaining, but I had the question of how a target is selected in my brain throughout the article-it's all I was looking for. Everything else is laid out in excruciating detail except how the target is selected. Just feels like an omission that doesn't fit the tone of the article. This is very clinical, very direct, very well organized-which makes the lack of this information all the more glaring/distracting.
(account deleted)Bit of a necropost, but I second this. I was unable to enjoy most of the article or even pay any attention to any of the stuff in the second addendum because by then I was just skimming looking for a description of the "procedure". If I may be so bold…remember that these articles are, in-universe, supposed to be documentations of highly anomalous things, not entertainment. The Foundation would almost certainly want to put a description of the procedure in the document, so as to document all the anomalous things about the anomalous thing they're documenting, you see? In-universe, it makes no sense to leave the procedure unexplained - I can see the intended-creepypasta-based rationale behind your reasoning, but part of what makes SCP articles so creepy is that they actually make sense in-universe as scientific documents (apart from being impossible). The idea that there's a world where the SCP Foundation exists - needs to exist - is disturbing on its own, and making the articles make as much sense as possible for that universe is the underlying creepiness that ties all SCP articles together. Am I making sense?
Furthermore, if the procedure is so horrible for the targets, how would the targets be made targets of without them knowing about it at all? They should notice something so incredibly "not nice". My imagination can't run with that, it simply makes no sense.
Personally, no vote, due to the above-described irritants. And for what it's worth, that's rare for me. Take it how you will.
Bit of a necropost, but I second this.
For the record, you'll note this was actually addressed already and got Mulciber's upvote.
If I may be so bold…remember that these articles are, in-universe, supposed to be documentations of highly anomalous things, not entertainment. The Foundation would almost certainly want to put a description of the procedure in the document, so as to document all the anomalous things about the anomalous thing they're documenting, you see?
Aside from being incredibly patronizing, that's an opinion, not fact. A) No, the Foundation does not want secondary documents in the main body of their documentation. This is literally why supplements exist. B) There is such a document detailing the ritual, and it's mentioned in the article, so I'm not sure what your complaint is. That it's not spelled out in this document? No, it's not and it's not going to be.
In-universe, it makes no sense to leave the procedure unexplained
It wasn't, read the article again.
I can see the intended-creepypasta-based rationale behind your reasoning, but part of what makes SCP articles so creepy is that they actually make sense in-universe as scientific documents (apart from being impossible). The idea that there's a world where the SCP Foundation exists - needs to exist - is disturbing on its own, and making the articles make as much sense as possible for that universe is the underlying creepiness that ties all SCP articles together. Am I making sense?
You are, but you're saying exactly the opposite of what you mean. In-universe, the ritual is documented and available. Researchers with clearance can go look at supplemental procedure 1118/D/Ax-14:Z3. Out here in reality, the procedure has not been spelled out, because that's not essential to the document. In fact, it would ruin it. So, you're complaining about it not being explained in-universe, when in fact you're miffed about you, the user, not being able to read it.
Furthermore, if the procedure is so horrible for the targets, how would the targets be made targets of without them knowing about it at all? They should notice something so incredibly "not nice". My imagination can't run with that, it simply makes no sense.
That's quite possibly the biggest non sequitur I've read in a while. No, that's not a logical conclusion. You're trying to apply logic to a document about a typewriter with teeth for keys, that needs a dark pagan ritual to bind it to a target. What?
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