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Listen to enough math rock, and you start to realize it's all a bunch of nerds with relationship issues.
A big thanks to Gaffsey, Ihp, ResearcherBlasko, and DrChandra for looking it over!
EDIT: Jack of Spades was created by TheDuckman, I should note. Looks like he's a bit too different a character now.
EDIT 2 ELECTRIC BOOGALOO: Thanks Woedenaz for the pic!
A bit of nitpicking, wouldn't once a day considered frequent instead of infrequent? Or at least periodic. Listening to the same song everyday is what I did when I first found that song, in other words, peak of interest.
Yeah, that really is better.
This was quite a ride. I have only the vaguest idea of what math rock is and it still held my interest. Sounds like some bad craziness went down, and more than one person got badly treated in more than one way.
+1
P problems are problems that can be solved quickly regardless of size, sometimes called "easy" problems.
NP problems are "hard": The time it takes to solve them grows with the size of the problem extremely quickly, but once you see a solution, you can verify it easily.
Breaking passwords is an NP problem, and this xkcd shows you how fast they grow. With 28 inputs, it takes 3 days to break a password at 1000 guesses/second; Add just 16 more inputs, and it takes 550 years. Yet, in either case it's extremely fast for the server to verify that your password is correct. So fast that it doesn't even notice the difference between a 3-days-to-crack password and a 550-years-to-crack password.
The P=NP? problem asks, "How can it be possible to verify that a solution is correct so quickly, without having the ability to find a correct solution quickly? What is happening to that extra information?"
Any time you think, "I couldn't make it myself, but I know it when I see it," that's the P=NP? problem. Humor is a perfect example. It's harder to write a funny joke, than it is to hear a joke and know whether or not it was funny. Why? Is there a way to harness the ability to recognize humor and turn it into a way to create humor? If so, then P=NP. If not, then it doesn't.
I once got high with a mathematician friend and I asked him, "Do you ever have that nightmare where the complexity of NP-complete problems is the Lovecraftian horror underlying the universe?"
And he said, "Well, I didn't."
So the P=NP? problem is the question of whether these two groups of problems are actually the same. In other words, Is there something deep in the nuts and bolts of reality that would allow us to solve NP problems quickly?
If not, why is it possible to recognize solutions quickly? Why is it possible to write an algorithm that verifies a password that would take 3 days to crack, and a password that would take 550 years to crack, in basically the same number of milliseconds?
When dozens of people recognize that a joke is funny, but none of them could write the joke themselves, how is that possible? What knowledge are they tapping into that they can all independently laugh at the same funny joke in its final form, but apparently none of them could access when they were trying to write the joke from scratch? What is happening to that extra information?
Thank you. I'm now on my have to have a Panic Attack fueled by existential terror.
This is an amazing explanation, thank you!
I like this one a lot. 'Self-important anartist who talks circles round everyone' is a hard character to execute well, but Veronica lands firm on the side of 'fun' rather than 'tiresome'. I like that she catches Hae flat-footed, since it's a good twist on the standard style of interviews with people who aren't supposed to be in the know. I also like how the difficulty of Veronica's statements is just as much a product of her self-absorption and projection as her secret mystic knowledge - it's a good demonstration of how weird her priorities are.
Probably the only problem I have with this is the Veronica shooting herself at the end of the interview. Given her disdain for Hae, it seems weird that her 'checking up' prompts a desire to kill herself immediately. Plus, it's overly pat and feels like it was written in more as a way to terminate that line of inquiry than as a believable character reaction. It'd be a much less grating development if, say, she kicked Hae out and then was found dead sometime shortly thereafter of an obvious suicide. As it is, it kind of makes her feel like a narrative device rather than a person.
EDIT: Huh, thought Hae was male for some reason (probably 'It's been a pleasure, man').
it seems weird that his 'checking up' prompts a desire to kill herself immediately.
Given this:
You somehow know jack shit about NP rock despite listening to it, agreed with my statement about P and NP despite no public proof, and most importantly, Pitchfork hasn't given a shit about me since they gave my solo album a 2.6. You're either some government occult coalition g-man, in which case holy fuck you're bad at this, or one of Brinegash's girls, which is fucking rich considering that killing me won't bring back Sara, and I'd know, cause Ashy's still dead!
I would assume that Veronica caught onto the fact that the visit didn't seem genuine, and fastened and heightened her paranoia. Maybe it's not the best writing decision for Veronica to kill herself right away, but there's at least a logical trail that leads to it.
I get that, but even after she clocks what's going on, she doesn't sound like she thinks Hae is a threat:
Are you just…checking up on me?…Heh, well.
That doesn't exactly sound like someone who's at the point of killing themselves immediately so they can't be taken alive.
Foundation agents in the music industry should seek to discredit "math rock" as a genre
I highly agree. :V
That was way more intense than I was anticipating. I agree with Rioghail, excellent job on the explanatory ranting.
Oh, and like, mass is just bundled up energy, and energy is just bundled up information, and, well, black holes exist. So.
+1
I like Zach Hill, and I like math rock too (mostly Japanese bands though), but I don’t understand what’s happening…
Nice characterization though. No vote for now.
As far as I understand it:
We're not meant to fully understand what is going on, because Veronica is self-obsessed and projecting, and assumes Hae is already 'in' on all the information, so she gives a very confused an unsatisfactory explanation for what went down. The basic gist, however, is that the SCP (NP rock as a genre) is the product of an awful internal squabble in a band where A) there was loads of relationship drama and everyone hated each other, and B) several members of the band were powerful mages/cosmic horrors.
My best guess at untangling it is as follows:
Veronica (and possibly Jack) hated Sara and Izzy for unclear reasons, possibly related to Jack being jealous of Sara and Izzy being in a relationship, and possibly because Sara was in some culpability for the death of 'Ashy' (who was clearly important to Veronica). Veronica and Jack decided to create a memetic genre sound that would fill the math rock genre (which Sara loved) with samey imitations, thereby ruining it for her. This appears to have been successful, since Sara killed herself (Veronica possibly stole her soul afterwards, but that might also be dramatic hyperbole). In the aftermath, the band imploded, and Izzy underwent some sort of transformation into some sort of horrible eldritch entity ('Brinegash') that also seems to prevent her from playing music.
Veronica assumes the Foundation Agent (Hae) is a minion of Brinegash/Izzy, and kills herself to avoid whatever she thinks Brinegash might have planned as revenge, bequeathing Sara's stolen soul to both her girlfriend Brinegash and Jack (who may have been infatuated with her).
Brad Cameron was seemingly some lucky bastard who got kicked out of the band in favour of Sara before the band got famous/dissolved into eldritch infighting, but who was still on good terms with Veronica. What precise relevance Ashy, the Goddess of Cider, the Man in Bandages, and Ana have, I don't know (though I suspect Ana is Sara's sister, given they have the same number of letters in their name). I don't think we're necessarily supposed to get much more than this outline.
Had me at 'NP Rock'.
The containment procedures are slightly unclear regarding the disposition of contaminated audio recordings; it seems to read now that the recordings are copied to antimemetic media and then that media destroyed, which is probably not what was meant.
Characterization of Fitzroy was absolutely fantastic. She had an engaging personality and seeming depth that's sorely lacking in most interview exchanges. And true-to-form for a Series 1 entry, it falls firm in the area where just enough information is present to make me want to know more. I couldn't +1 harder if I tried.
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