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This is my attempt to flesh out the CotBG beyond clockwork-worshippers.
If the backstory implied here isn't your piece of cake, there's not much I can do about that, but if you have any suggestions or comments on the writing, just let me know :)
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You're providing hugely complex containment procedures, and then not explaining why they're necessary.
3. Containment procedures were devised based on Church of the Broken God documents, information provided by CotBG adherents, and the circumstances of recovery for each instance.
The Foundation doesn't necessarily know why they work. They just know how the CotBG was dealing with them, what members who they interrogated said about them, and things the CotBG has written about them. They deduced Containment Procedures from these.
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I really like the relationship here between the SCP and the Church. The Church was apparently keeping them contained for some reason. Now that the Foundation has taken over, nothing has actually changed, except the jailers. These clearly aren't a dangerous Church artifact, as the Church is assisting with containment of -6. Now, they might not be doing it voluntarily, and might be coerced through repeat use of powerful amnestics, but they're still allowed in contact with it, which is something that would just never go with any of the other contained Church artifacts.
This is an article that raises a lot of questions, but not the kind of questions that get raised by sloppy writing. This causes insight and introspection. What is this? Why was the Church keeping it contained? If it's something dangerous to the Church, then doesn't simple 'enemy of my enemy is my friend' mean that this is good? Is the Foundation being reactionary and highly conservative by containing a potential ally? Or maybe the plurality of threats to reality is absolute: The Church is a mad force bent on destruction, but maybe this is too. Was the containment decision made consciously?
The idea of a mechanical theology, of there being schisms within the Church to match the actual tempestuous history of the Christian faith, with reformations and heresy and apostasy within the Church and maybe these things were what originally formed the Church, but got overthrown by the madness of the grinding gears. Of course, the implication that the Church is founded on real Truth, and not on a few men going mad due the relentless grinding. Maybe God exists, and he is clockwork.
tl:dr: Upvote.
Let's see if I get this correctly.
Judging by the fact that "Nibbanic" refers to the Buddhist Nirvana, and these eggs are "Post-Nibbanic", plus the illustrations on 1564-5, the eggs are what happens to humans as an eventual result of exposure to SCP-217. The cultists are, essentially, in their equivalent of Nirvana, or something beyond Nirvana, where they can eventually mesh with the Broken God… if they haven't already, as Nibbana is essentially merging with the supreme being (in Buddhism, the Brahma, in this case, the BG).
Also, each egg is someone significant within the Church. I don't know how they were significant, exactly, other than that -1 is a warrior that fought for the church in some way.
Bleh. I dunno. It sounded smarter before I started typing.
Also, may I just say that I love this particular line:
Should any reliable means of blocking or negating telepathic communications be developed, testing with SCP-1564 is recommended.
Take that, Telekill.
All of those are correct, although:
It could be 217 or, like the Buddhist Nirvana, is a result of extensive meditation and contemplation. It's not impossible that another one of these will spontaneously arise, possibly even from one of the worshipers around -6. The Foundation has suspected this, and has made leeway in the types of sustenance allowed for those allowed around them in case they start turning into clocks somewhere along the line.
You definitely seem to get it. And yes, that was a Telekill reference.
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I think it's funny that 1564-7, being so old as I'm understanding it, is still so petty and bitchy with itself. I could imagine that over time this sort of behavior would develop but given even MORE time I'd think that it would fade away, giving rise to something more defeated or perhaps even serene…detached? I thought their 'conversation' was funny (and I loved the color idea) but it just ruined the article a little for me, even though I upvoted.
If I'm misunderstanding and 1564-7 isn't really all that old then never mind.
The voices would probably be as old as the eggs and the eggs are old so… guessing they are old.
The implication from the speech though is that they aren't wholly independent of the listener and relies on them to some extent.
So lots of references and hidden subtexts here, which are always a bonus. I'm missing one reference on SCP-1564-3, and I'm not sure on the symbols on -4 and -5 enough to claim I know what they are for sure.
For the actual church expansion, I like the idea of them just being crazy and forming a cult based on that. The trouble has always been how they advanced into the whole Broken God concept. I don't think I have an issue with it coming from psychic clockwork eggs, so sure. Why not.
-3 consists of enemies of the Church of the Broken God:
- Foundation, for containing their objects. What's behind the blackboxes is up to you.
- GOC, for destroying their objects. The objects described are not any SCP articles, because they were contained by the GOC.
- Dr. Wondertainment, who is tempting members with his shiny baubles and western materialism (if you couldn't guess, I have the CotBG as being heavily buddhism-inspired, so materialism = BAD).
- The Fifthists, for being a competing religion.
-4 consists of friends/allies:
- The Church had a hold of SCP-222 for a while, which is where a number of their servants came from. They miss it.
- The Serpent's Hand. Anyone who's against the Foundation and GOC and who's all for letting anomalies do as they please is a friend of the Church.
- AWCY? is already chock full of open-minded youth, who are prone to joining alternative religions. The coolists find inspiration and materials with the Church, and the Church gets recruits and a new perspective on their philosophy.
- SCP-140 — The CotBG as presented here is a fusion of Buddhist and Daevite philosophy and religion, with a prophetic figure in their past. The Daevites are the blacked-out civilization. Thanks to their thaumaturgical abilities and warlike nature, Daevites made excellent generals.
Aside from the main sequence, the illustrations on -5 show the bad paths one can go down. In order, those are a currently uncontained/lost/destroyed fleshbeast-making SCP that is at least partially voluntary, the Fifthists again (and a more general warning about religions that preach that one's soul escapes up into heaven), and more fractals. The fractals could be a reasonably literal something the CotBG finds them turning into and facing, or something more symbolic.
For reference, 1, 2, and 6 are War, Peace, and Enigma respectively. -6 would have been nigh-impossible to be carved through normal means (both due to the math not existing and over two kilometers of engravings, so that's reasonably solid evidence that these were created with the images already on them.
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uncontained/lost/destroyed fleshbeast-making SCP that is at least partially voluntary
How about the Unclean from 093?
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/me clears throat
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Eh, you know what? I didn't like it the first two times I read it, but maybe it's just grown on me. +1
Hellboy, your fall should be like the fall of mountains. But I was before mountains. I was in the beginning, and shall be forever. The first and the last. The world come full circle. You think you can fight and kill me, as you would a beast? I am not the wheel. I am the hand that turns the wheel. I am time, the destroyer. I was the wind and the stars before this. Before planets, before heaven and hell. And when all's done, I will be wind again, to blow this world as dust back into endless space. To me, the coming and going of man is as nothing. And you, because you made this choice to live like a man, in the end you also will be nothing. Here now, with me, this is your only moment, your glory.
Yeah. This reminds me very much of the Ogdru Jahad. For some reason that just makes me love it even more. Great show.
I've stated as much in chat, but this wasn't inspired by Hellboy even a little. Glad that it reminded you of something you liked, though :D
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While I really like the writing, and the amount of thought put in to this, I can't upvote it.
The containment procedures are over-complicated, and feels like the foundation couldn't be bothered to actually contain these things. On top of that, we have members from a group of interest that actively stymies the foundation regularly, working with this object. That, to me, is a *massive* security hole, and could not end well.
I love the writing, but it just doesn't feel like a foundation document to me. Feels like a CotBG thing.
I'm going to do with this what I do with every SCP I like: find obscure ways to tie it into the Fifth Church, and then upvote.
Four humans with fog or smoke emitting from their mouths while their faces peel back. The emitted matter combines to form an indistinct fifth humanoid figure.
Did you not notice that? Or am I the only one who immediately thought of the 'Be like the Stars!' SCP?
I really love this. It's not my personal Church headcanon, but I really like it as its own canon. Maybe I'll write some stuff related to it, eventually.
Also, in the third bullet point he is referred to as "Site Director Galluzzo", but in the footnote he is referred to as "Assistant Site Director Galluzzo" Not sure which one it is supposed to be.
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