SCP-3475 / Discussion

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TyGently 02 Jun 2018 06:38

They whisper still, the ancient stones
The blunted mountains weep
As he died to make men holy
Let us die to make things cheap
And say the Mea Culpa, which you gradually forgot
Year by year
Month by month
Day by day
Thought by thought

The beginning of a story about the end.

Thanks to my teammates minmin, Jekeled, and Decibelles for feedback and support. Thanks as well to Taffeta, Greenwolf, The Great Hippo, Croquembouche, clubby, and multizig for reading it as a draft.

The whole story:
1. SCP-3475 - Our Shifting Foundations, by TyGently
2. A Quiet Night, by TyGently and Decibelles
3. Into The Woods, by Jekeled
4. Hello, Little Girl, by minmin
5. It Takes Two, by Jekeled
6. Children Will Listen, by Jekeled
7. Birth of a New Day, by Decibelles

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TL333s 02 Jun 2018 13:25

Man, I dunno. This is really hard to swallow, for one. For example, I can't ingest stimulants and I don't suffer from sleep deprivation.

For two, it's another contest entry that's predicated on what comes after it and thus seems unfinished. It's this grand, sweeping, global effect and the Foundation's just like, "Yeah, keep an eye on it and do stuff to counteract it if necessary, I guess." Like, form the description, this seems like it could be a 001, it's that pervasive. But by the end, I'm not sure how I feel about it, and I worry that the contest necessitating story-building is causing more articles to be written that do not and cannot stand on their own.

CalamityHeart 02 Jun 2018 14:50

For me, this comes across as pretty profound in and of itself. I've never seen an SCP document that explores and "anomalizes" the Veil.

In their increasingly complex attempts to put a wall between what's normal and what isn't, the Foundation are now in a peculiar situation where the wall itself is becoming abnormal. I've never seen anything like this, and if something similar's been done, it doesn't stick out as much as this does.

The now-anomalous concept of the Veil is getting difficult for both civilians and Foundation personnel to pass through safely, and rubbing up against the Veil, either through Foundation personnel coming into contact with normalcy or vice versa, has the potential to cause strange side effects that must themselves be contained, which makes the Veil more anomalous and more difficult to handle, which causes more side effects, which must also be contained, and so on and so on, ad infinitum.

At some point, this leaning wall has to tip over. And what that entails, I have no idea.

But I'm dying to find out. +1

(account deleted) 03 Jun 2018 19:18

Novote. I want to like this because I love explorations of the Foundation being just incomprehensibly controlling toward humanity, but for most of the same reasons TL333's mentioned, it just falls flat by the end for me.

Addressing SCP-3475 as a single whole allows for the greatest degree of control over civilian populations and allows side effects to be dealt with more easily. The SCP-3475 program currently allows civilian humanity to enjoy the greatest possible degree of normalcy and stability in spite of anomalous threats.

This is the part that really makes me think this is more fitting for an 001 designation.

Soon after introduction, the most common species of canids became increasingly difficult to perceive, and as such this issue has been made inconsequential.

This is a very specific topic similarity to what we posted several days ago for our DoomCon stuff. That said, the idea that the Foundation engineered this particular abnormality and then disguised it as a Lethe Event could be interesting, too, and is what my brain came up with as an explanation when I read this and noticed the overlap.

TyGently 03 Jun 2018 19:33

I don't really get the idea that every important thing should be an 001. If anything, there's plenty of reason for this *not* to be an 001 — it's specifically a phenomenon that arose late in the Foundation's lifespan.

About the canid thing, it's a coincidence. That part has been in the draft for a week, and I haven't read your team's installments yet anyways.

(account deleted) 04 Jun 2018 04:51

it's specifically a phenomenon that arose late in the Foundation's lifespan

This part would just be a headcanon difference, then, because I've always thought the Foundation doesn't number them in order, but rather selects available slots like we do when writing IRL. To me, an 001 is something that is large-scale enough or otherwise notable enough to warrant the priority spot, which is why this fits it to me.

That's all just my take on it though. And no worries about the dog similarity, especially since you didn't know.

rockyred9 06 Jun 2018 11:52

I'm in two minds about this. I'd like to echo the first two paragraphs of CalamityHeart's review; this is a fascinating concept, and I'd love to see it explored. Unfortunately it's not really explored here. But the concept is so good, I feel wrong not giving an upvote.

No vote. For now.

TheOldOre 09 Jun 2018 01:19

This is an ambitious entry but I'll say something on similar to TL333s. First off, this article shows the use of a thaumiel class anomaly which, unlike other thaumiels such as SCP-2000, is being constantly utilized to control the entire human population. While I don't think the Foundation using secretively implanted memes to alter people's memories and perception is not a bad concept (though slightly overused) the article does leave a few holes on how they did it. One topic I'm wondering is if a GoI such as the GOC or CI knows about this.

To make my point short: This is a creative and great concept though it sort of bugs me to not have it explored in depth more. Neutral vote.

Jacob Conwell 15 Jun 2018 20:39

Given the fact that this article actually explores the Veil of Normalcy itself as an anomaly, I think this does a pretty solid job of it. While I can understand why someone would claim such a broad sweeping effect would qualify as a 001, the fact remains that the Foundation didn't realize this was a thing until they already had a ton of SCPs. That implies a growing and evolving Foundation, and I love that.

Additionally, I find this to be a nice compliment/counterpart to the WJS 001, which also explores normalcy and to a degree the Foundation artificially manufacturing the veil.

+1. Well done.

Petrograd 15 Jun 2018 23:14

I feel like a large amount of space was dedicated to blandly spelling out the general concept, and the actual illustration of it in the logs falls short of the kind of interesting exploration necessary to pay that off.

It's an ambitious concept, but I need more than exposition and a few fairly minimalistic examples to buy or care about it. The last entry was good build-up for a future article, I'm sure, but didn't serve to pay off the concept of interacting veil-outs and didn't much differ from imagery we've seen elsewhere.

-1

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mlister 29 Jun 2018 15:56

I think this comment best sums up my feelings on the article.

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TL333s 16 Jun 2018 21:46

I realize now that I didn't quite understand what was going on here at first. I suppose some criticism can be given for being opaque, but the other materials in your doomcon canon are illuminating. I've upvoted.

Mortos 18 Jun 2018 00:47

There's something I'm finding just a little off about this and I can't quite put my finger on what. It might be that there's something missing that I'm just not picking up properly because it's meant to be part of a group of articles. I find the list of examples being side-effects from Foundation actions and their treatment of those side-effects (rather than the actual thing their original action was meant to deal with) a little odd too.

It's competently written and I definitely like the idea that the Foundation has put so much stuff out there that the world is actively hazardous to Foundation personnel, but the article just isn't clicking for me. No-vote.

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