Very cool. Some of it reads weird, but it's good enough, and I like the idea enough, that I upvoted.
Whether you like it or not, history is on our side. We will bury you!
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When the D-class painted the picture with his own blood, none of those exposed to the picture showed any signs of infection. Yet all were treated as if they had been exposed to an incidence of the SCP itself. Further, there has been no evidence that the oil painting was capable of transmitting the infection - yet it, unseen and not subject to experimentation, was assumed to be a vector. And it was assumed, without further evidence, that the entire site video monitoring system was infected by accidental exposure to the painting - which had not yet been proved to be a vector.
I dunno, seems like a lot more in the way of assumptions than the Foundation generally makes…
In order:
27, the blood painting: While the individuals were not confirmed as affected, the incident gave signs that those who had witnessed the SCP were capable of spreading it themselves, rather than that only being possible by the tapes and derivatives thereof. This, if true, would be a huge thing, and would have to be treated with utmost caution.
33, the not-blood painting: While there was not evidence of it being infectious when created, again, caution was exercised when it was collected; they were planning experiments with it to confirm it being an instance of 1792, but then the next even happened.
34, the security system: When the guard on duty witnessed 33 on the camera, he knew that 33 was an instance of the SCP; he had definitely saw the painting clearly, and yet he could not properly describe what it was. Now, earlier in the article, it states that, for example, a tape inserted into a VCR and then removed without playing it would still infect the VCR, meaning that it spreading was immediate. The SCP was recorded on the security system now; they had not yet determined how it interacted with computers at that point, so the possibility that everything on it was contaminated was high. Attempting to check it carried a huge risk that it would infect the person using it; as they had just confirmed that the SCP can infect humans as well as digital media, this was something they could not risk.
I am working on rewriting some of these sections to be a bit clearer, and to fix some inconsistencies found in them, but hopefully this clears up what you were wondering here.
The blood painting gave evidence that those who witnessed the SCP might be capable of spreading it. There was no sign that anyone who saw the blood painting had been affected by it. Now, if the agents in custody began displaying symptoms after, say, three or four months, it would make a bit more sense.
It would also cause the whole incident with the oil painting to make more sense - they would then have direct evidence that the SCP's effect could be propagated through individual action, rather than only through electronic recording media. (It might also lead to a secondary directive that anyone exposed to the auditory component of the SCP who is possessed of a good singing ability might need to have their larynx damaged to prevent them from being able to reproduce the sounds they had heard…)
I *really* can't help but sense a connection to "The Tape" from the Ring, especially the Japanese novelization and sequels where indeed it became self-propagating and infecting other media/people as time went on before spoilers happen; it's just too perfect, the only thing that's missing is that it starts giving you emotional problems, rather than opens a gateway for a semi-dead Japanese girl to come kill you in a week, potentially raping you first. (It's Japanese horror, of course rape was going to be involved at some point.)
Forgot to mention: it's well-written yes, and not a bad concept in-and-of itself, it just seems to click way too much for me. Not gonna downvote, but at the moment can't bring myself to upvote either.
I have actually only seen clips from The Ring movie that was released in America, where the tape was copied by the viewers. I was actually unaware that the original Japanese version even had sequels; I heard that it was standalone like the American version. Didn't really pay attention to the movie in general, really, although I did realize, when writing it, that comparisons would be possible since it's about a videotape (among other things) that causes weird issues. Wasn't intentional, and the inspiration actually started at something other than tapes (an incident that would be caused by a mind-affecting agent, rather than the idea for the agent itself), but I can see why you would make that connection. Hopefully this helps clear this up, although I would understand if you still had your doubts.
I certainly did think there was the potential for the whole "convergent evolution" bit. And yes, there were at least 2 or 3 Ring movies in Japan (I know a second Ring was released in the States that had about 0% to do with the continuing Japanese story), and there were a minimum of three books in Japan along with a manga adaptation.
It turns out that Samara was immensely psychic, and somehow was able to go from possessing any of the tapes, to mutating a vector of the Small Pox virus (if I remember right) that would eventually let her clone herself. And she was a hermaphrodite, outwardly female but with certain male bits melded inside of her. And she ended up impregnating herself at the end. And it may have turned out that she was only half-human with her father and/or mother being a malevolent sea demon. Yeah the author kinda went off the rails there.
I'm not voting on this article yet. Too neutral for me to do so.
Anyway I have to wonder what would happen if a disk containing SCP-1792 were put into a computer that is networked with one other computer. Would the other computer be infected?
I really like the concept but when I read through it something just seemed….off? Specifically the grammar and a little bit of a fluctuating tone, I don't know it just read kind of awkward when i said parts out loud
I don't know why, but this has the same feeling as the beginning of a zombie apocalypse story, or something similar (i.e. anyone infected is a potential vector to spread it, hundreds of ticking time bombs out there, etc.); I enjoy this. Bravo sir.
(account deleted)Good concept, but the article is just really heavy. Consider making the containment procedures a lot more concise; no vote for now.
Not Safe class
Execution needs work
Still pretty well-done for the concept
Upvoted
How the hell is this not Safe class, Reject?
Does it get legs when in containment?
While it is classified as Safe despite not being fully contained
possible outbreaks are to be treated as Keter-level threats
This strikes me as off. Yes, we can lock away what we have easily. But there are obviously still instances out of containment, with Keter-level dangerousness? That sounds like a Euclid to me.
Unrelated: Since this can propagate through living organisms, shouldn't all humans who see it be affected?
Actually I just changed the quoted section, since it was, as you say, off.
As for the other part, the way it seems to work at the moment (I'm letting people figure out on their own if there's more to it than that) is that things like the tapes are carriers for the SCP. It's information-based, so simply looking at its container will not spread it, the pictures being an obvious exception. You have to see or hear SCP-1792 itself to be infected; contact with contaminated material that does not spread the stored information has had no effects thus far.
Shouldn't you at least name the D-Class as instances of SCP-1792 though, since after being tested, they carried the virus? You're naming every other thing that is infected.
I actually was planning on doing something to that effect if I made a separate page for the instances of SCP-1792 and the events around them. However, they weren't classified as instances until after the incident with 34, which is serving as the "climax" to the article in its current form, so they aren't in yet; 34 did mention that all who were exposed to SCP-1792 were declared as instances of it, though. The caption for the image refers to a 35 creating another picture instance of SCP-1792, which after reading the rest of the article implies that 35 is one of the reclassified humans as well.
Man, you'd be surprised at how much trouble there was with its class, actually. I originally figured that it was Safe, since it could be locked away and (theoretically) not cause damage; then I thought about it more and wondered whether or not that would work since, while it could be contained like that, there was potentially a lot of it outside of the Foundation and whatnot.
First few times I posted the draft in the chat, there was a discussion about that; eventually, there was a conclusion that I went with.
When I posted the wiki version of the article, there was another one of those, concluding the opposite and somewhat bewildering me.
Eventually I went with Safe based on the original logic: While it was highly dangerous, it's best to compare it to some sort of virus (it basically is a mental one, really). A sample of a new disease that they have no cure for will not seep through the glass container in which it is held, making containment of it Safe. That doesn't mean that it isn't still out there and potentially a huge threat, just that, as long as they perfectly follow protocol, their containment of it likely won't be breached.
Does that make sense?
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