Jesus, but that is a log.
I like it! Reminds me of that one episode of Star Trek where *runs from the flying stones*
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I like this a lot. Just one nitpick, in your log you have 08.1984 followed by 03.1984. I think you might have wanted to have them the other way around? Or the 1984 as a different year?
Anyway, this is really cool. It is kind of chilling that the Foundation might have sterilized an entire planet just because they might have been a threat at some point in the future. Especially one that at first seemed so benevolent.
The Foundation might have done that but I get the impression that it was just something that happened. They didn't have good defenses against or understandings of disease and didn't sterilize stuff we sent over as well… possibly because their world didn't have that much in the way of pathogens to begin with. So the flu devastates them. We didn't necessarily have to have anyone that was especially sick handling what we sent over. In my reading, the vaccine was offered in good faith and the effects were unforeseen. That's a different world over there, similar but different conditions. The scariest thought is that what happened to them could have just as easily happened to us.
That is entirely possible. I was thinking that we know at least the site director clearly didn't completely trust them, since they wanted to change the astronomical information we gave them just in case there was any way they could figure out where we were even though it was determined that their astronomical data was completely unlike ours and couldn't exist in our universe. The Foundation seems pretty paranoid about any other civilization or species which could pose a threat to our world. The people here demonstrated an advanced knowledge of high energy physics, and opened the wormhole, so its not inconceivable that at some point in the future they might be able to replicate it on a larger scale. Or at least this seems like a train of thought that could conceivable exist in a Foundation higher-up's mind. I think that the initial infection might have been an accident, but the Foundation could have used it and their lack of biological knowledge as an opportunity to eliminate what could turn into a threat down the line. It might not have even been the Foundation who did it, but just a paranoid site director.
Or it could have been an accident like you said. In which case you are right, the scarier thing is it could have happened to us (not accounting for our more advanced knowledge of biology).
And having read some of the other comments, I am now thinking it is entirely possible that this is the reasoning that some people on the other side might have been using when they saw their people going sterile immediately after the widespread implementation of a vaccine received from an alternate world to a virus that also came from the other world, whether or not the Foundation actually did do it.
About their astronomical data showing that they couldn't exist in our universe —
I thought that was very obviously them sending us falsified astronomical data. Afterward, we sent them falsified astronomical data.
They analyzed it, realized "shit, we're both sending each other lies - okay, fine, let's admit it and just tell the truth from now on."
That does seem like a possibility now. In which case there is this mutual distrust underlying both sides' interaction. And since they did it first, maybe someone at the Foundation thought "Well, they obviously don't trust us and are trying to pull one over on us. Why should we trust them at all?"
Anyway, at this point, I am about evenly divided between the part of me that thinks this was all just an unintended accident with the survivors just blaming the Foundation, the Foundation taking advantage of a situation to eliminate a potential threat, or an elaborate gambit on the Foundation's behalf once they decide they couldn't be trusted.
I think this ambiguity is part of what makes this SCP work as well as it does. Do I have any more upvotes lying around here I can throw at it?
Anything that inspires this much curiosity about what's left unsaid is a big winner in my book.
Another thing I like about this is that they weren't stupid. They knew things we couldn't comprehend, unfortunately that was a two-way street.
And that, right there, is why I upvoted. Made me want to cry. A beautiful, strange world ruined by accident and good faith.
This was a bit of a writing experiment for me. I wanted to see if I could write up a Keter, but present it not as horror but as tragedy.
this is absolutely fantastic. no suggestions, great work.
(account deleted)It's been 37 years since they sent that message 'last generation'. Assuming they were old enough to hate us so much, then they should be getting up in years. Without biological knowledge of age and medicine, they should be dying about now. Maybe even sooner.
Living the dream, or dreaming the life?
yeah, i see that as part of what makes this so great. as they get older, they get more desperate to kill us. their whole society is dedicated to our destruction. so it becomes a matter of if we can hold out long enough for them all to die out, or if they'll come up with something good enough to take us out with them.
with that in mind the foundation ought to be coming up with more effective biological weapons to use on them seeing as that's their weakness.
Yeh, I just figure when they die then it won't be keter anymore right?
Living the dream, or dreaming the life?
certainly. that's when the classification gets changed. i'm betting it started out euclid and probably even got downgraded to safe at one point or another :P
I actually don't think we WANT to destroy them. They assume we tried to kill them off, and want vengance. Which is understandable, to a degree.
Also they may not have biological research, but they could still be cyborgs or some crazy shit that allows them to live longer.
oh, no, we definitely dont WANT to kill them from how i see this. it's just that it eventually comes down to "us vs them". if they keep trying to wipe us out, we'd best be willing to deal a finishing blow first before they can, even if this was all a big accident
It might be cool if it were edited to say something like Keter as of 12.1976
The Foundation doesn't need to come up with anything…
They could basically just throw in a bucket of liquid Dimethylmercury in there…
… seeing as they're mostly humanoid - or more importantly: biological - anything not entirely automated on the other side, and anything connected in any way via air, would die in the most horrible way over a period of months. They don't appear to have even biosuits or know proper handling of anything biohazardous, not to mention the difficulties in cleaning up and containing.
Things do seem automated on their side now, but maybe it could stop the assailing at least somewhat
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vissa vera; vitið enn, eða hvað?
well, they may be able to live a long time. In physics, it really seems that they are at most 30 years ahead of us, so it's completely plausible that they be 30 years behind us in biological studies, so somewhat moden medicine could be plausible
I didn't particularly care for this one. We already have a portal to a parallel universe where it's the same year, with more advanced computing technology but bizarre attitudes on medicine and religion, where the population got wiped out by something weird, and there's already a well-known book and movie about what happens when people stop being able to reproduce because of the effects of a pandemic. The sudden insertion of "nanobots" towards the end of the log threw me off. And while I know it's not necessarily out of character for otherwise sensiblw people to act irrationally in times of crisis, the other-worlders' "YOU DID THIS TO US WE WILL DESTROY YOU" attitude just comes off as excessively jerkish considering that they'd all have died anyway without the Foundation's help.
Tone is good and I don't have any particular issues with the writing quality, but this just isn't doing it for me. No vote.
Nope - while massive in absolute numbers , their casualties were below a tenth of a promile of population.
Considering that with no good medicine, we have survived far, far worse epidemics during say, the middle ages and before, it'd have been nasty but my money's on them recovering from it.
regardless of if the virus killed them or the vaccine sterilized them, the chances of them blaming the foundation would be pretty high. there would be a large number who would at least SUSPECT that we sent the virus over intentionally. the vaccine causing sterility would then be seen as an intentional ploy to wipe them out since they probably gave the vaccine to literally everyone. different society with different culture and thought, hard to tell what their philosophy was. i find this a plausible scenario.
also, i see no reason why having more than once SCP with a link to a parallel universe would be some kind of problem. these are different enough that there's not a problem. likewise this is VERY dissimilar to children of men, and i'd be willing to bet the author didnt even have that in mind while writing it.
It may be plausible, but that doesn't mean it hasn't been done to death.
there would be a large number who would at least SUSPECT that we sent the virus over intentionally.
It's not explicitly stated in the article whether their population at large is aware of the hole or not, but I assumed while reading it that the organization on the other end of the hole is that universe's Foundation-analogue. If that's the case, i'd expect cooler heads to prevail rather than a decision being made to try and blow up an entire other universe without making any attempt to determine if they were responsible or actually could help.
Nope - while massive in absolute numbers , their casualties were below a tenth of a promile of population.
There were 8 million casualties in 3 months. Extrapolating from the fact that that accounts for .0091% of their population (which must therefore be 7.28 billion), it would admittedly take several hundred years for the virus to wipe out their species at current rates. However, the fact that these parallel humans evidently have weak immune systems and at best a rudimentary understanding of germ theory and epidemic management would suggest it's pretty likely that the rate of infection will speed up and people would start dying off exponentially.
Their population is 8,791,208,800, or ~8.8 billion. 100/.91 (x*.91=100, find x)= 1098.9010989*8 million.
You're right, although this way may be easier to do or understand for readers:
8 billion is 91%
100/91 = 1,0989…
Then you multiply the 8 billion with the 1,09… number you just got.
Don't have to work with 8 bil and 91%, you can do lower percentages, but it's so damn easy to find the number closest to 100% in your head and go from there using calculator if needed.
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Regarding the pandemic, we have no idea of knowing how fast they would all have perished. We don't know how centralized they are, their sociology, their immunology and resistances, or last but not least:
How quickly it can spread.
It started with some researchers, we have no idea how or when they were in isolation, nor when it left the facility altogether.
All we can tell is that it spread _very_ rapidly.
And to whoever said we had pandemics in the past and "did fine", we DIDN'T.
The first major breakthrough in regards to this was during the Spanish Flu, where they randomly discovered that people in outside WWI camps recovered more quickly or wasn't as quickly infected… they didn't even know it was airborne…
Even with the COVID-19 and all precautions of a "modern" society, still this decennial "superboosted" but otherwise "just" an influenza virus has as of writing date had confirmed 528 million cases with a confirmed 6.28 million deaths. And I bet a good part of survivors - or dead - were hoping to die as quickly as possible while dealing with it.
That being said, it would be very weird for this alternate civilization not to survive the regular flu on the whole, unless their biological immunosystem somehow suddenly ceased to exist altogether in their whole species… and yet the impotency is even weirder. I'm almost afraid to think what nutcases would do with this and proclaim an SCP article as "evidence" to "justify" not taking vaccines, you know what it's like out there… but the weirdest part of all is how their civilization somehow administered the vaccine to EVERYONE.
Despite a lot of logical flaws, I still like this article.
Stendur æva strind né röðull,
lofti með lævi linnir ei straumi;
mærum dylst í Mímis brunni
vissa vera; vitið enn, eða hvað?
this is very similar to Aeon Flux (the movie), and i love it! In my opinion the foundation is really passive taking all the attack like "oh well, lets repair all this like if this never hapened". upvoted but i want to see at least one tale of this
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They wouldn't have all died, correct?
Statistically, a small percentage would have to be immune to the virus, correct?
I liked it up until the point where the vaccine causes sterility. Of COURSE the Foundation fucks it up. -1
I took it as the other civilization lacking in understanding and proper scientific rigor when it comes to the administering of vaccines. It sounds like they had things under control before using the vaccine. So they should have taken the chance to test it and find out the other effects. Even if they lack understanding of biology and medicine, it sounds like lack of basic scientific prudence to just take something from another civilization from another dimension which has shown to be markedly different from their own.
Our Foundation may have given them the tools of their doom, but it was their complete misuse of those tools that was their ultimate undoing.
Also, +1
Replying to old post because it pissed me off: the Foundation isn't perfect, silly. We had no idea what effect the vaccine might have on them, and they lacked knowledge in that field anyway. Just because it's not all sunshine and happiness is no reason to downvote.
The problem for me was that it was very predictable. I didn't specify that in my post, but I imagine I'm a better reader 2 years later.
But what if i stick my penis in it?
Neutral vote.
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i'm sure that Dr. Bright would try this just for kicks…..shortly before one of those energy blasts came through.
That's… actually a great idea.
If their side isn't wholly automated at this point, that is. But if they see it over surveillance…
That would be 2 birds with one stone.
Stendur æva strind né röðull,
lofti með lævi linnir ei straumi;
mærum dylst í Mímis brunni
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