001s are HARD, man. So you have this, instead. Thank to everyone who looked at this, which is too long a list to replicate here, and I will inevitably miss people, but special thanks to minmin, Jekeled, Conwell, A Random Day, Magnus, weryllium, Feline, shaggy, and…god. I don't even know.
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FIX THIS ONE
hmm
if your reading this your gay
I fucked up okay (it's gone now), no worries
Alright, so I'm torn on this one.
On one hand, I find the base anomaly, the lion human construct from the Yeats poem to be kind of dull. Its just comes across to me as another unstoppable monster, albeit one based on a pretty neat poem.
On the other hand, the supporting documentation for this article is really enjoyable. I found the table in particular to be interesting, especially watching the anomalous effects amp up as it gets closer to Sarajevo, while the political stability of the world in turn disintegrates. The historical documentation, and the excerpts from the media/GOC and SCPF communications also intrigued me, and am genuinely interested in what happens when the beast finally gets from Point A to Point B.
I'm going to err on the side of an upvote. The monster itself might be lackluster, but that is some neat world building in there.
I too am pretty conflicted here, the metaphorical merely made literal is seldom a good idea, and this starts like that but concludes more strongly.
Also going to agree with this. The end of the article is far more entertaining and interesting than the first half of it but I don't think that's enough for me to upvote. The world building is great, but otherwise, it's not doing anything for me.
Hmmm. I personally really like the imagery of this creature and I thought it meshed well with what it caused, and the point of the article in this form was always going to be watching the world collapse around it. What might make it more interesting, in your eyes?
Well, I can't speak for Sirens or sirpudding, but for me its the fact that the base anomaly boils down to a giant unstoppable monster. Granted, you do a pretty solid job of taking the metaphorical creature from the poem and describing it in a literal sense. The imagery is there and succeeds in getting across what the monster looks like. However, in the end it is still just a giant monster. This wiki is chock full of those. So that aspect of this article doesn't shine as bright as the rest of it.
Honestly, I personally would have found it far more entertaining if the monster was the zombie corpse of Yeats, with all the same shenanigans going down as it walks from Israel to Sarajevo, but that is just me, and that would require a major rewrite.
All that being said, I still think its worth a +1.
Mainly the device of taking Yeats' symbolism and making it literal just doesn't work for me.
(account deleted)You missed an 001 in the footnotes. >_>
This is great. Yeats is one of the few poets I actually like, and this is awesome. Makes me wonder what the fuck is going to happen when it does get to Sarajevo. Nothing good, I bet.
+1
Presumably World War III to be fought with unknown weapons, followed by WWIV to be fought with sticks and stones, followed by WWV to be fought with phased plasma rifles in the 40 watt range followed by WWW to be fought by professional wrestlers. It is known.
I like the implication that, provided the world still exists in some usable format after the rough beast is no more, the Foundation and the GOC will team up to ensure that nobody really remembers what happened. Worldwide devastation, with a plausible explanation; anyone with a sufficiently accurate memory of 2574 will be disregarded as a crank or quietly quieted.
All that will remain is a garbled account, written as fiction to entertain and inspire people who like that sort of thing.
+1
I struggled with the concept of a Broken Masquerade scenario where none of the ramifications of anomalies made public were discussed, but reading the communication with various governments and the overall quality of the idea overcame my qualms.
+1, thanks for reminding me of a great Yeats poem.
It's creepy, because I just looked up "slouches toward Bethlehem" before coming here today, because I got the phrase stuck in my head and couldn't remember where it came from.
And this thing. What the hell? The birds of prey attacking it are probably my favorite bit, it's just such a striking image. There are spots that could stand smoothing out, but as this is, it's worth an upvote.
because I got the phrase stuck in my head
I suspect this month's featured tale may be the culprit.
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For those wondering, "slouches toward Bethlehem" is from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Second_Coming_(poem)
Which is the poem that this article is a literalization of, if that wasn't obvious.
The thing slouching toward Bethlehem in TL333s' subconscious is a "rough beast" which is the source of the title of the featured tale…
I've got a bit of a killer headache1 so I'm skimming a little, apologies - bug me in IRC to go over it again tomorrow or something, if you'd like.
Knowledge of SCP-2574 is too widespread for amnestics to be an effective containment procedure. Populated areas plotted to be in SCP-2574's path are to be evacuated at least 1 week before SCP-2574 reaches the area.
I feel these sentences could be collapsed together; "Knowledge of SCP-2574 has spread to the point of rendering amnestics insufficient, and populated areas plotted to be in SCP-2574's path are to be evacuated at least 1 week before SCP-2574 reaches the area." Or similar.
SCP-2574 is a 12 meter-tall leonine creature composed of sandstone and leonine smooth muscle tissue.
Repetition of leonine - intentional? Looks a little sloppy.
SCP-2574 is surrounded at all times by a flock of birds of prey.
What birds, how many, do they change by region, etc?
SCP-2574 constantly regenerates from the damage done by SCP-2574-1.
How quickly, and by what method (or is it anomalous spacemagicks) :p
Currently, SCP-2574 is estimated to have caused 25.3 million US dollars in damages, 112 deaths, and 625 injuries.
Can probably be shortened to USD for brevity.
Hallucinations of aerial attacks, abnormal chemicals, manmade landforms, and a variety of weaponry have all been observed in the wake of SCP-2574. SCP-2574 also causes temporal anomalies, producing historically accurate hallucinations of combat during both World War I and the Irish War of Independence, and causing both temporary and permanent manifestations of persons involved in either conflict.
Hallucinations and actual physical things happening are quite different;2 it's not really clear which is going on here. If you need advice on writing hallucinations, hit me up.
3. Due to the nature of SCP-2574, it has been conjectured that SCP-2574 was not the source of these effects, but was rather responding to them. Evidence for this theory comes from the occurrence of several international conflicts days before SCP-001's first appearance.
Missed an -001 there :p
Overall: 7/10, updooted, enjoyed. I think the documents could do with a different layout (maybe tabs? or a table?) to help with consumption of them. I could throw together a mockup in a sandbox, if you want.
I always have a soft spot for Irish related SCPs and this is well written to boot. +1 from me.
…more pronounced in countries involved in either World War I or the Irish War of Independence.
Countries involved in the Irish War of Independence would be the UK and Ireland, wouldn't it? Both of whom were involved in WWI?
Irish-English conflict begins to grow more violent
Well, Ireland's fucked.
a resurgence in Northern Irish nationalism is seen
I'm not sure if resurgence is the right word here, I mean it's never gone away or died or anything.
Multiple secession referendums have been proposed and are awaiting review by Parliament.
Assuming this is about Northern Ireland joining the Republic
- It'd most likely be called a border poll
- It wouldn't have to be approved by Parliament actually. If Northern Ireland's Secretary of State ever thinks it's likely that majority of voters in Northern Ireland would vote to leave the UK and form a part of a united Ireland, they can hold a poll. After that, (assuming they vote to leave) the Secretary of State "shall lay before Parliament such proposals to give effect to that wish as may be agreed between Her Majesty’s Government in the United Kingdom and the Government of Ireland." So says the Good Friday agreement anyway
Anyway, I enjoyed reading it.
Fixed the bit about the border poll. Would "becoming more prominent/widespread" be a better phrasing for the nationalism part?
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