Number 27, Oneiroi Station / Discussion

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Jack Ike 04 Dec 2016 23:22

My first GOI Document!
Thanks to everyone who took a look at this in chat, and everyone who'se read it and voted on the mainsite.
This one's been in the works for a couple of months, but it's finally here. Not related to the Paradigm Shift canon, unless it gets tied in later on.
The links aren't as random as they may seem…

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Image Attributions:

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Aristotle.png - https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Axolotl.jpg Public Domain
Beetle.png - https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Giant_Dung_Beetle_(Heliocopris_andersoni)_female_(11683957995).jpg Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 2.0 Generic
Canine.png - https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Bruins_Dev_Camp-6875_(592007).jpg Creative Commons Attribution 2.0 Generic
Dull.png - https://www.nasa.gov/image-feature/mercury-solar-transit-0 Public Domain (produced by NASA)
Esoteric.png - https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Art_visuel.jpg Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 4.0 International
FalseTower.png - https://www.flickr.com/photos/pagedooley/22422308545 Creative Commons Attribution 2.0 Generic (CC BY 2.0), altered to include the text 'Bibere venenum in auro'
FowlerCorrupt.png - As 'Fowler.png', altered.
Fowler.png - https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Shower_head.JPG Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 Unported, 2.5 Generic, 2.0 Generic and 1.0 Generic
Meridian.png - https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:NH-Pluto-color-NewHorizons-20150713.png Public Domain (produced by NASA)
Number.png - My own work. Public Domain.
OW_tl.png - Taken from the Oneiroi Group of Interest Hub. Attribution as there.
Tower.jpg - https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Radio-tower-sharps-ridge-tn1.jpg Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 Unported.

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Communism will win 04 Dec 2016 23:32

Nah but for real, this is what I enjoy seeing out of Oneiroi — a story that couldn't have been properly told in any other format. Good work.

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if your reading this your gay

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SpectralDragon 05 Dec 2016 01:22

…What the fuck did I just read.

I mean, I liked it? I didn't understand more than a quarter of it, but that was a pretty good quarter, and I've always been fond of incomprehensibility anyways.

GreenWolf 05 Dec 2016 03:56

I, on the other hand, have always hated incomprehensibility. Obfuscating your story with tons of gibberish is a really great way to make me dislike your story.

The problem with writing stories that emulate dreams is that dreams don't have narrative cohesion. They're random mish-mashes of images with no logic or consistency behind them. And while that may be interesting, it doesn't make a good story.

YES OH MY GOD YES THIS IS ALL I EVER WANTED OUT OF ONEIROI

SoullessSingularity 05 Dec 2016 02:20

Specifically I love that it is this kind of dream logic that makes a terrible amount of sense with a looming idea that shit is happening but the conclusion that ends the tension of "What is it" provides even more "WHAT IS IT"!

_{this thing makes me feel very strongly about it}

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Living the dream, or dreaming the life?

djkaktus 05 Dec 2016 02:53

There's something about Oneiroi articles that I find almost seductive. The way it's presented is so far deviated from the standard go-around here, and the subject matter is almost alien. It's very easy to find yourself engrossed in the story, and still unsure of what you experienced when it's over.

I don't feel like an Oneiroi article is acceptable, to me, without that feeling. The sense of drifting and uncertainty. Of something and someplace that is, and very much isn't.

Fortunately, this hits all of those points. A delightful read.

Ihp 05 Dec 2016 03:03

On the one hand, I'm not a huge fan of Oneiroi, but this isn't terrible. The format is hard to read, but the little parts of it are amusing and interesting. Though, fact that this is essentially documents an overly-long ARG kind of hits a bit close to home as someone who had to wait literally six months from the start of an ARG to the finish for Overwatch. Sombra was worth it, though.

Overall, neutral-vote.

TyGently 05 Dec 2016 03:26

After the MTF contest, I wondered if #Xiupania was a lightning-strike sort of article, something that works fantastically once but then fails a bit when future articles use the same format. However, I'm happy to say that this document is a pretty sweet piece of work — it's all that classic Oneiroi dream logic that combines numbers stations, conspiracy theories, and ARGs to create something that feels very right.

If I could select an issue, I would say that it might have been even better to include formats that had not already been seen in #Xiupania. At the very least, I would encourage that for other people seeking to make articles in this format: let's not allow something so fresh and weird to become stale by reusing the same code snippets in everything.

Other than that, though, this is solid.

Decibelles 05 Dec 2016 04:19

I don't understand what people are talking about with this being illegible and incoherent. This has a coherent story and characters and arc.

Petrograd 05 Dec 2016 04:34

There's a lot in here that I like, but a lot in here that I strenuously don't.

On the plus side, many specific details were quite cool, the most memorable being

The interior of the station itself is impossible to access due to an absence of Fifthist Church bullshit.

I definitely enjoyed the ending to the story, with Station27 taking the complete wrong assessment of Canine's character (at least to my reading.) Whatever in the hell 27 was up to is also pretty neat.

What I really, really dislike is the lolrandom nature of the bigger text blocks. In #Xipunia, the text was all pretty comprehensible and plainly written, even though it defined new and strange beings. It wasn't otherworldly because it threw in random words and phrases, it was otherworldly because it used very familiar internet style to convey more than one truly strange other world.

The links out absolutely did not convey dream-logic, especially given that you're basically linking from an imaginary dream internet to parts of the real internet.
The spastic language also really didn't help convey anything. Maybe if you were going for a mad AI who could only use internet references and couldn't quite speak English (or were writing a Daveyoufool skip), it would fit, but that's not dream-logic.

Surrealism mimics the structure and logic of dreams, with its strange transitions and associations. A lot of this feels like the conceptual equivalent of slapping the keys on a keyboard. Given that tonal failure, this feels like a really underwhelming use of the OW format. -1

minmin 05 Dec 2016 12:22

FWIW those were my initial concerns when I read the first draft ages ago, but I felt they were sufficiently improved upon and the piece felt largely coherent enough as a whole for me to upvote.

If this issue were addressed, though, I feel it'd turn an "okay-nice" 6/10 piece into a "pretty damn fun" 7 or 8.

Fredrick Canine?

sirpudding 05 Dec 2016 05:51

Is this meant to be the hellhound, Crafter Fredrick, of Pitch Haven?

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Re: Fredrick Canine?

Jack Ike 05 Dec 2016 06:11

Not intentionally - I've never read Pitch Haven before.

Re: Fredrick Canine?

sirpudding 05 Dec 2016 06:24

That is maybe a cause for confusion, since there is a canine character named Fredrick and you have a character named Fredrick Canine. I was trying to figure out what Fredrick wanted with a dream numbers station…

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