Absolutely gigantic thanks to the magician of the party, Placeholder McD, for taking me on this ride. And woah, what a ride this has been.
Another special thanks to the rest of our team for making this dream into an article: to stephlynch for the absolutely stellar beautiful images and to Azamo does not match any existing user name for the much-needed editing, CSS, and writing help, and to
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Lt Flops for crit from my side.
I apologize for necroposting but did you forget to make an author post?
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Nothing to add, day unruined indeed +1
edit: if I were to put one major criticism here, it would be the crosslinks. I don't mind most of them, but there's a lot where you link a thing that was crosslinked before in the same page. there's at least 4 or 5 links to 2747 in this. maybe this is intentional? I maintain my upvote tho.
my brain isn't wrinkly enough for this, but I can just imagine that I understand it +1
(account deleted)Reading each article involving pataphysics feels like descending through a concentric spiral. Each try gets unrewarding and more boring until you reach to an end. I think sometimes things need to reach to an end and pataphysics it's one of these. Swann was the cornerstone and 2747 a good foil. 3309 started to dive deep into the out-of-universe aspects. 4010 and 4410 are interesting articles. 410-FR is the true article about pataphysics.
But some things need to end before they become (even more) stale. Maybe it needed to end nearly 2 years ago, but it didn't.
I know you people are having fun and in a project like this, its a very important thing butyou are building a nothingness building with imaginary components. Because I appreciate the wiki and their authors, I want to say "Stop the narrative circlejerk. The Foundation has a lot of interesting concepts without dwelling in metanarrative stuff and I don't want to see artists and writers entrapped in perpetual self-referential stuff."
I don't know what to tell you, man. I really just don't. To hear something like this as a group of people that spent tens of hours creating a project which we only cared about the quality of rather than mass appeal really just hurts. This isn't even a complain about the writing quality — this is straight up your problem about a Wiki writing trope we quite literally took a different approach to; this isn't even remotely similar to standard pataphysics articles!
Also, if I may: if you hate pataphysics articles so much, why do you even read them? It's not like somebody's forcing you (at least I hope nobody is), and it seems like a simple and elegant solution to your problem.
And then you claim you do this "because you care about the wiki," as if this is some death of it. I genuinely cannot read this in any way that isn't a blatant spit to my, and my coauthors', faces. Just… it hurts, especially when I'm an author that isn't trapped to the "perpetual self-referential" cycle as you described it — as someone who likes to walk out of his writing comfort zone, I wanted to try to write something I would consider good for a canon I dislike and a department I find to be quite hard to write as a challenge. Which is quite literally the opposite of what you're describing. It's as if you didn't even check who wrote this article. But I'm guessing that's significantly more effort than just shitting over someone's work. But what do I know.
Just not cool, dude.
I don't really agree with the statement here. Sure, sometimes I personally dislike pataphysics, but I don't think someone has the full right to tell another person that the content they are reading is inherently worthless and should've not have existed.
In addition, this isn't really a crit of the piece itself, more of a crit of pataphysics, and I don't think this is the place for you to air your personal grievances about pataphysics — if that is, why didn't you air it to the millions other pataphysics articles that exists in the site right now.
I also disagree with the quote here, as people can very much focus on metafiction for metafiction's sake and the intricately deep lore that comes from the Sarkics, Mekhanites, etc. Besides, I personally don't think that pataphysics is all "self-referential". As an example, 4028 manages to be a good pataphysics article that although references quite heavily from literature, is in no small part "self-referential".
Overall, I think your approach to this piece coming into it was already coloured by your perception of what pataphysics "is", and I think that let you to have a negative response to it.
Hi, morhadow!
Sorry for the frustration. We appreciate your comment and will share this with the team.
Your feedback will be taken into consideration for future ADMONITION articles. We hope you'll be sticking around to read them.
Let us know if you have any other concerns.
Best,
Steph
Yikes. Let people enjoy things, damn. The entire wiki is built with imaginary components. The whole Foundation enterprise is an experiment in narrative restructuring in a world where truth and physics don't quite make sense. You don't like pataphysics? Super-duper. I'm glad you know what you like. But telling people to knock off the "circle jerk" because you aren't fond of the subject matter is not any kind of constructive, and is pretty close to a personal attack for the sake of it. There's 6000 other things to read. Go do that. It's sufficient to say "Pataphysics doesn't do it for me," downvote and move on.
in retrospect the recycling of tropes and the decline of originality are exactly what you'd expect from a fake universe spiralling into its own fake black hole
this
also minmin I love your work and I hope my use of 2747 does justice to the original article!
not going to get into what you like or dislike, or how do you approach meta articles, but I find it quite curious that you upvoted (meaning you liked or at least enjoyed) SCP-ES-132, being it pretty much everything you just described in bold text
You can't force people to stop reading Pataphysics regardless of your reasons. I'm pretty sure readers do understand that there are thousands and thousands of articles to read apart of metanarrative stuff, but they read it because they decide to. And probably because some like it.
Pataphysics is a very diverse concept and there's no problem with expanding it. And if you don't like it, okay, don't like it. But don't tell people to dislike it, that's just kind of insulting to Pataphysics authors, especially if they took dozens of hours working on their concepts.
— Roundabout.
Hmm, this new pataphysics skip is… fine. The dialogue was pretty engaging, howver, my main problem was that it wasn't a good experience reading the article the first time around due to the heavy use of acronyms, abbreviations, and technobabble that made the first reading experience quite a slog. Subsequent readings are vastly more enjoyable as you get to slowly understand what each term really means.
Once you get past that. you manage to get a grasp on what's happening, and get to the dialogue, however ,it immediately becomes quite a nice story. The idea that we can revive people by pulling them from a higher narrative dimension and that there are consequences frorm doing so is pretty cool.
I am still ehhhh on the reveal that lolfoundation is essentially a foundation operative to "flesh out" the characters created. It may just be me, but having the capoff be "lolfoundation" doesn't really feel narratively satisfying for how much science is set up.
Overall, despite the technobabble requiring several readings, it was an enjoyable experience with great dialogue that had an ehhhh conclusion. +1
The idea that we can revive people by pulling them from a higher narrative dimension
So technically the pocket universe is actually lower than normal reality — the base Foundationverse has 2 narrative dimensions, while they created the pocket universe with <sigma> narrative dimensions, which is very close to zero. This is because it requires significantly less energy, and makes it more easy to compute how to directly affect the narrative using the machine. It's only at the end that they write enough wacky lolFoundation stuff to cause the pocket universe to gain narrative dimensions, eventually rising above the Foundationverse (meaning it now has more than 2 narrative dimensions) and threatening the authors, instead.
having the capoff be "lolfoundation" doesn't really feel narratively satisfying
This may sound like a tad of a cop-out, but this is kind of intentional. Six narratively satisfying addenda that build toward a climax, then a seventh that seems to fall flat… does that remind you of anything?
The connection to 2747 does change the whole article tone to me, and I am now excited to see how future ADMONITION episodes deal with this.
Literally 2 days after TES does a video on 6820, the sequel comes out.
