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Working together to solve perhaps…
My trials, collapsed for spoilerism.
My first attempt was to adress this puzzle as a word-finder. Although the letters are scrambled, I started to remove all the letters that comprise Safe, Euclid, Keter, Thaumiel. In that order, from left to right, top to bottom. I ended up with a mishmash of leftover letters.
I then started to count how often I could actually make each word with all the given letters, using each letter only once for each word. Again, left to right, top to bottom. Reusing letters when I got to the next word.
By my best count, I ended up with:
Safe: 16
Euclid: 16
Keter: 8
Thaumiel: 15
I could only get to K-E-T on the last Keter before I ran out of E
Substituting letters for numbers gets me P P H O; which does not make anything.
Here's the breakdown of letters. Obviously for Keter, I find 17xE, so only half of that number is the maximum amount of 'Keter' you can spell out.
S A F E
16 16 16 17
E U C L I D
17 16 16 16 16 16
K E T E R
16 17 16 17 16
T H A U M I E L
16 17 16 16 15 16 17 16
Maybe someone else can take this info and run with it. Or just see that I did it Wrong and skip my errors.
What is funny is that adding up the amount of individual words adds up to 55. And 55 is.. er… is… What was I talking about again?
I get the other puzzles, but this I don't get. I'm not sure what it us, and how to approach.
Seconding this. I'm guessing "distinguish" is the operative word here, but I can't make heads or tails of it beyond that. There's no immediately intuitive action other than trying to do a word search, and I can't find a way to make that work.
I've been trying to look at this from another direction too. I've tried the word-search, word-counting too…
I suppose a distinguishing mark is that Safe is the only one with an F, Euclid the only word with a D and a C, Keter is the only K and Thaumiel has H and M.
I've been trying the opposite path, where I've been playing with the commonalities, but no luck so far. Also, you missed Safe's S and Keter's R, if that helps any.
Defs not a word search. Most of the Fs are near the bottom, most of the As are near the top.
Yeah, I noticed the distribution was too skewed for something like that too. Combining that with my theory above (group letters by whether they're shared or unique to one class) I tried making the grid into a DataMatrix barcode, but either that isn't it or I have it inverted/rotated wrong, but Occam's Razor says I need to go back to the drawing board.
I put the letters in a 15x15 Excel grid and colored them by letter, but I don't see any clear pixel image. I also tried to just highlight letters for a specific word, but none of the four classes come up with a clean image, at least on my worksheet.
Maybe you guys might see something doing this. I dunno.
I'll take some notes while I try this, given the notes everyone else took too…
- No files are attached to the page, so the "Object classer wizard configuration file not found" isn't there :-P
- The word 'file' isn't in the block.
- Neither is "class".
- The word 'file' isn't in the block.
- If "components" are letters, then the "components that distinguish each of SAFE, EUCLID, KETER, THAUMIEL" would be S+F, C+D, K+R, and H+M.
- I took out everything else, and… it didn't make anything :(
S H H C R H R H R R R H
H S S C C C R C C H H C R
H S R H H H H H C C H
S C C H H C
R C R M C
S S R M M M C
S C R R R K K D
D D R R K K D K
S D M M M D K
S D D M D M D D K
S D D D D K
S D M M K K
S F M M F F F F K
S S S K F M F F F K F F
K F F M K F K F F
- I took out enough letters make "SAFE", "EUCLID", "KETER", and "THAUMIEL" and got this:
H R R H
H C R C C H H C R
H S R H H H H H C C H
S C C H H C L
R C R A L A C
S S R A L M A A A C
S C R A R R A L
R R K L D K
S D A I M M M T T D K L L
S D A D M D M D L D K
I I S D I D D T D U U K L
U S U D U M I T M T U U K L K
S I I U I M M T U F F K
S S S K I F M F F T T F K F F
U K F I F M K F T K T F E F E
* There's enough left to make a KETER or two other classes, but I don't think it will show anything…
- If the answer is a single English word, then there should be a way to do this that only leaves a few letters left, right? What if you skipped all the letter repeats? That would give SAFEUCLIDKTRHM, and those 14 letters can be fit into 15*15=225 letters 16 times, leaving one letter left…
- But there are only 15 "M"s! If you take away 15 of each letter, you get: SAFEUCLIDKTRH. But since the "FILE" wasn't found, leave that as SAUCDKTRH. It doesn't have a word longer than "custard" in it…
- Each letter seems to be clustered together… maybe if I did a map of the rectangles each letter stays in?
* Why did I waste my time making this???? I think it has mistakes, too!
- Going back to the "distinguishing components"… maybe if I just did it for those, it will box something off!
* "Hell" is not a password :(
More to come! I'm posting now so I don't accidentally wipe this all out :-P
By looking at the main page itself and figuring out the context clues, I can say that the answer to this puzzle is "lost."
I don't know how to solve the puzzle to get that password though.
Out of curiosity, how did you figure that out from looking at the main page's source code?
The main page has been set up that if you get enough of the other passwords put together, the text itself will eventually lead to 'best fit' contextual words for the other solutions.
So you can reverse engineer the answer to the puzzle through that way.
What TBlackburn said, although I didn't actually have to look at the source code—I just kept plugging in plausible words like "killed" or "injured" until I got lucky.
I… think I get it, now that I've seen the answer.
Whether this was the intended hint or not, the system can't determine the object class. All you have is a grid of jumbled letters, with the correct set never to be found.
I feex. ~Zyn
Danka ~AW
Well, now that the answer is known. I'm still rather interested in the solve part of this puzzle.
I would be rather disappointed, though, if this was more akin to a riddle where the answer lies in the fact that the class, or determination thereof, is simply lost…
Given that almost 90% of the entry looks like a word/letter solving puzzle.
I'd feel about the same as I would when playing a riddle game and being asked what my opponent has in its pocketses…
(obviously, actual discussion hidden for spoilers)
So we've been coloring them by letters, yeah? And we figured that there are letters unique to each word, like S and F for Safe, right?
You see where I'm getting at here? We color those letters, and BAM! We got it.
Man, I thought this was unsolvable, but I guess we were all in the right track after all. Just needed to combine our methods.
No, no, that's what I did before I figured it out too. You have to color ONLY the unique letters per class. If you're doing "THAUMIEL" the letters are H and M, so color that. You will get a letter in the form of a pattern. Afterwards, clear those colors and do the other classes.
And so on.
Yep. After looking at it again,
Highlight each letter unique to the object class word. For example, for Safe, highlight all the Ses and Fs, because no other class has those letters. The shape of an L will form. For Euclid, highlighting all Cs and Ds will form a vague image of an O, and so on.
You've got to do it one class at a time. Absolutely devious.
What letters did you use?
Also for Thaumiel, squint your eyes.
OK, I got the other four puzzles, but that one got me really stumped. I can't even seem to find what I'm supposed to do. Nice job, I think.
EDIT: Finally got it without help. Great one.
Important letters are SF, CD, KR and HM. Then find where they are in the grid, one couple of letters at a time (and not separately, as I did at first).
Thanks; I was trying to solve it on my own for a long while, figured out that common/unique letters were significant but not how, then came here looking for clues that didn't spoil it outright, and yours helped push me in the right direction (although it still took a lot of trial and error). Honestly, this puzzle kind of feels frustratingly unfair; it's too much at the border between regularity and irregularity, logic and abstraction, and identifying those particular groupings as critical still strikes me as a bit too wide a leap of logic to be fairly gleaned from the clues provided. A clever idea, and still a cool part of this amazing puzzle SCP, but it just needed either one more clue or a somewhat different execution to be great.
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