SCP-5107 / Discussion

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Jesus Christ Super Star

DrAkimoto 20 Mar 2020 01:08

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(account deleted) 20 Mar 2020 02:55

Class-A A Mnestics.

Changed to Class-A Amnestics

Cerastes 20 Mar 2020 06:25

You shouldn't change other people's pages unless you know what you're doing. Mnestics are used for remembering things, they're essentially the opposite of amnestics.

Hydrails-EPSILON 20 Mar 2020 05:48

Ah, so a famous sighting of the Virgin Mary and an alleged miracle…

revealed to be the bantering of a son sun and mom sun to those on knurd.

Brilliant

+1

(though how does the public actually perceive the Sun Miracle of Fatima? Most videos I find on it are made by Catholics)

Its a Bad Idea 20 Mar 2020 05:51

I like this one. Curious about that object class though…

Zimzamble 04 Apr 2020 16:29

Atleast two uncontained entities exist that can accidentally bump the sun and make it spin around in the sky breaking the veil in front of thousands. With no idea how to contain them I think the object class fits.

redredred 20 Mar 2020 16:34

I have a lot of problems with this article. I disliked it in drafting, and I dislike it even more with the changes that were made.

+ This is gonna be a long post.

I'm gonna condense my reasoning into two main points so I don't ramble on for twelve pages.

1. Reliance on the Miracle of the Sun

If we strip every reference to the Miracle of the Sun and leave only the anomaly, there is almost nothing here. There's the conversation itself, the field of mnestics, and the fact that the Foundation censored the conversation. That's it. This has fallen into the trap of "a real world event, but anomalous" and it makes no attempts to distance itself from that.

Furthermore, the Miracle of the Sun has little to no connection to the actual anomaly itself. The entire event is just a prop to tell the story of two celestial beings bickering among one another. If the anomaly was changed to something like "a lightbulb which anomalously replaces itself occasionally", then the story wouldn't be affected in the slightest. This leads to the paradoxical fault where the article both uses the Miracle of the Sun too much and doesn't use anything besides shallow mentions, making it both overused and underutilized.

This extends to the characters as well. Wright and Gladsby have the most purpose in the story, and all they get to do is say "the sun is moving" and "remember to record this". The children which managed to manipulate tens of thousands of people into attending this get shelved because their only purpose is to explain why so many people were there. And, ironically, there's no point to explaining why 50,000 people attended because the people themselves have no purpose other than to prop up the significance of this anomaly.

This makes it even more of a letdown when all of the buildup from the ConProcs and Description and Discovery leads to a bit between barely-established characters playing stereotypes.

2. The Story / The Ending

The shaggy dog ending traps this article into its lackluster story. It implies that the children's motivations and the entire anomaly is just the result of this field, therefore there's no lasting impact on any of the people since they're not going to be seeing these entities again. It removes all possible characterization that could be imagined from the event and rips a massive plot hole in this article.

Thinking about this logically, 50,000 people witnessed a very specific anomalous event at the exact same time. Now, the Foundation in this article appears to be very technologically advanced since the Agents have access to portable and practical audio recorders (which were invented in the late 1970s) in 1917. Even with these technological advancements, there were still 50,000 people which saw this thing. These people would logically talk about their discoveries, and there were even press at the event to interview onlookers.

This would present a massive problem to the Foundation when it comes to censoring this thing. In the midst of a World War, an angelic event like this would spread rapidly through the population. Therefore, the Foundation would have to put up a massive effort on a continental or global scale in order to wipe this event from everyone's memory. This could be done, but there has to be at least some kind of device or anomaly or strategy that the Foundation uses in order to achieve it.

And all this article gives to explain how this monumental task was done is:

All public evidence of SCP-5107 has been confiscated, discredited, or tampered with and is kept within the Site-51 Archive. Due to the efforts of Foundation assets in historic academia, SCP-5107 has been established as a hoax or illusion in the majority of public opinion. This cover will be perpetuated further if necessary.

This is not, by any stretch of the imagination, an acceptable explanation for how this anomaly didn't immediately tear the Veil to shreds. While this event is considered to be a hoax in the real world, which I assume this is meant to represent because of the crosslink, the real world event didn't involve two people talking to each other for ten minutes. That would definitely be memorable and inexplicable by critics, especially when 50,000 people all repeat the same story.

This is a very, very hard -1 from me.

(EDIT: After speaking with the author and hearing their reasoning, I've come to the conclusion that it is reasonable for the Foundation to be able to suppress information of an event like this. My first point still stands, and so does the section about the ending being lackluster.)

Last edited on 20 Mar 2020 20:14 by redredred Show more

Researcher Brayan 29 Sep 2020 16:15

This is good.

Thopter 26 Dec 2020 17:37

In addition to the problems redredred identified, this article needs an editor. I fixed what I could within the boundaries of this wiki's rules, but this article needs further attention. I would be happy to provide more specific observations upon request.