Noir Box Proposal / Discussion

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Welcome to Tindalos Trinity. After three and a half years in development, hopefully it will have been worth the wait.

Jack Ike 10 Sep 2019 00:16

Storytime fellas.

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On January 24th, 2016, I took the first step to writing what was, at the time, going to be my first 001 proposal. The idea was simple - The Administrator wasn't a singular individual, but rather an assumed, anomalous identity that gave you reality-bending powers, but tried to reverse what you did afterwards.

There are two things to note from this. One: This is absolutely nothing like the finalised Tindalos Trinity, which doesn't even mention the Administrator. Two: At this point in time, I only had two articles on the mainsite - and the second was rewritten several days later because of its low score.

But I worked on it, all the same. I took out ideas, added in new ones - you used the anomaly to find out what the anomaly was, but oops, now you're about to cause the end of the universe… at one point the anomaly even ended up being the 'divine power' of MEKHANE, stolen in an alternate timeline and contained in 'sub-reality coding' inspired by the Judaic Sefirot/Qliphoth. Then it moved away from MEKHANE, and started serving as an origin for Rat's Nest. Seriously: this article's been everywhere, man.

But, the feedback remained the same. There was always something wrong, something disagreeable, and it needed extensive changes to correct. Namely the tropey stories or unfitting GOI drops, but anyway. I kept working on it, trying to make it better from what I had; and such is why it changed so, so damn much.

February 27 is when the draft started approaching its finalised version. Mobile Task Force Chrono-0 (Later Ora-0), a time-travelling MTF influencing the course the Foundation took, using the Administrator (now an originless, all-access security code hard-baked into the Foundation database) to fiddle with files - oh, and you were one of them, deleting the 001 file. Later, it was changed so you were creating the 'false' 001 proposals to try and delay the formation of Ora-0.

Then, the idea advanced; Ora-0 was now an adopted alias used by """probably""" future Foundation MTF, a hostile, probably enemy GOI military group, and a phantom/hallucinatory SCP. The Foundation reacted differently to each, and in return, the circumstances they formed under were changed.

Then the drafts progressed towards them directly influencing the Founder…

But there was one last layer left to add. March 9, 2016: I learn about the cool little 'meta-title' trick from SCP-2998 (I think?). I like it. I want to use it. Then, I realise, 'Hey; I can use this to make the header a collapsible, can't I?'¹ This, coupled with the ongoing feedback of people not entirely getting what I'm trying to lay down with the three different documents, led to the idea of the Overseers hiding a file - the true, accurate documentation of SCP-001, a 'YK-Class Tridimensional Paradox' - in the header.

'The Administrator' (Now 'Administrator Fritz' - The Children had recently come out) and their exclusive 'Level Omni' clearance were still a loose end. There was no set origin for them, and they only really existed to enable Ora-0 to do whatever they wanted. Then, there was a feedback loop; I remembered I'd involved Rat's Nest earlier on. I decided to bring the idea back. I remembered the 'really, really foreign/different, Kabbalah-inspired timeline' idea - that came back too.

August 23rd, 2016: That's when the recognisable Tindalos Trinity was really born.

But, then 2017 came around and the draft idled, and I mostly lost interest in it for two years. There were a couple of tweaks on November 13, 2017, but it was March of this year when I really started to get back into it. It'd been my longest project of all, and I was damn well going to see it to completion.

And now, here it is. Maybe not my most successful, maybe not my most memorable, but I'm glad to finally have this up on the mainsite - not sitting on a sandbox forever, permanently incomplete. But up here to be read, voted on, (hopefully) enjoyed.

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The problem with working on something for three years: I've totally lost track of everyone who'se helped. I know the list would be very long.

To those of you who've played a part in this endeavour: Thank you. Thank you for giving me some of your time, however brief. Thank you for reading my drafts (especially when they weren't the best), or pointing me in the direction of resources, or directly helping me to fix coding.

Thank you.

I will, however, do my best to come up with a list, from what I recall and can find:

• Anaxagoras - at one point, the coding I was using was taken from SCP-2212.
• Randomini - I also stole coding from 2505.
• Eskobar, SirPudding - The CSS module used to change pages was taken from 1893/2111/2998.
• AJMansfield - directly helped with some of the code. None of it remains, but still.
• Decibelles, Roget, & thedeadlymoose - I distinctly have a note here saying, quote 'pivotal in progressive inspiration.' While I can't remember the specific feedback I got from each of you, I know for a fact you three played a huge role in making this article what it is now.
• DrMorris and famine_ - back in the coding times, I needed to hide a password. You two helped me.
• Some_Potato - also back in the coding age, greatly assisted in resolving bugs.
• djkaktus - encouraging me to keep trying, keep pushing forward.
• Greenwolf - gave me the coding for the redirect modules that I haven't ended up using. Still; thanks.
• Those damn four critters in chat two or three days ago who I now realise I've totally forgotten to write their names down, shoot, I'm so sorry!
• Rounderhouse - as below, provided the code to make the rating module green.
• woedenaz - reminding me to use fragment:, which is very important!

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I would also like to make a special mention to TheSunnyClockwork. Back in April of 2016, I asked if they could do a little logo for me - something for the draft at the time ('Penrose Triangle'), but I wouldn't be able to pay for it. They did it anyway, and a couple of days later gave me this.

To date, it doesn't appear to have ever been posted on their art pages. Maybe they forgot about it; but I, for one, did not. For the aspiring author I was at the time, to have someone as talented as TheSunnyClockwork put some time into helping me, making something as beautiful as this - it was an immense honour. It still is.

EDIT, 27/03/2022: They did post it on one of their pages! Only took me several years to find.

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So, now I've finished babbling on: thank you for taking time out of your day (or night) to read this. I hope it's as enjoyable to you as it was for me to write.

Footnotes

1. No, this gimmick isn't used in the current draft. Yes, I will probably use it in future.

Last edited on 26 Mar 2022 23:48 by Jack Ike Show more

rattles 10 Sep 2019 00:18

Loved this in the crit stage, love it here. :)

ratking666 10 Sep 2019 00:41

jack u HITTIN IT

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Rounderhouse 10 Sep 2019 01:13

Just as tightly non-linear as when I critted it, very fiery.

If you'd like to style the rating module on the sixth offset to be green with everything else, here's some code for that:

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[[module CSS]]
/* RATING MODULE */ 

.page-rate-widget-box .rate-points {
     background-color: #002200 !important;
     color: #77CC77;
     border: solid 1px #77CC77;
}
.page-rate-widget-box .rateup, .page-rate-widget-box .ratedown {
     background-color: #002200;
     font-weight: bold;
     border-top: solid 1px #77CC77;
     border-bottom: solid 1px #77CC77;
 }
.page-rate-widget-box .rateup a, .page-rate-widget-box .ratedown a {
     background: #002200;
     color: #77CC77;
     border-top: solid 1px #77CC77;
     border-bottom: solid 1px #77CC77;
}
.page-rate-widget-box .rateup a:hover, .page-rate-widget-box .ratedown a:hover {
     background: #77CC77;
     color: #002200;
} 
.page-rate-widget-box .cancel {
     background-color: #002200;
     border: solid 1px #77CC77;
}
.page-rate-widget-box .cancel a {
     background: transparent;
     color: #77CC77; 
}
.page-rate-widget-box .cancel a:hover {
     background: #77CC77;
     color: #002200;
 }
[[/module]]

Just plop that sucker on the fragment page for that offset. 👍

no longposts, thnx- nico

Last edited on 10 Sep 2019 12:52 by Uncle Nicolini Show more

Jack Ike 10 Sep 2019 03:31

Added, cheers.

Ellie3 10 Sep 2019 01:25

what just happened. +1

Woedenaz 10 Sep 2019 02:46

I haven't read this yet but… I think you may have goobered up the creation of the fragments and such? I believe you're supposed to put these all in fragment: categories. The way you did it now, you've shoved every other Article of the latest posted list…

Jack Ike 10 Sep 2019 03:31

Should be fixed now - never used fragments before.

Excellent!

Yossipossi 10 Sep 2019 04:22

This proposal, I'd say, was better than your last one! You have my upvote, as always. I'll probably refrain from declassing this one since my brain is still fried from Meta Ike, haha.

If no one else plans on declassifying it, though, I could always go for it.

notgull 10 Sep 2019 04:51

I really think I would’ve upvoted if this was a regular SCP (I think that it could be one, with some modifications). In its current state, I’m no voting.

Most of the lore is conveyed through walls of text that could easily be trimmed down and still carry the same value. The idea is interesting; however, I can’t get past the presentation.

TL333s 11 Sep 2019 02:29

I don't… really get this.

Is it supposed to be meta? I haven't been reading the wiki much over the last two or three years, maybe I'm just not up on what's been happening.

But I think this has that problem of one of the offsets explaining the whole thing, when a lot of that came through in the reading. And then there's that final offset that I don't understand at all. There's a new Foundation from some alternate dimension now?

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TheBlueHour 11 Sep 2019 13:13

Holy crap. And I thought working on something since Feburary was aong time. I guess it at least payed off in the end though.

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