I don't understand what killed Dr. J at all. What was significantly different in that expirement from the others?
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They had known what it looked and felt like before seeing it and having their experience limited to one sense.
J knew both how it looked and how it felt, but he had not used mnestics yet to observe it directly for himself. when he did use mnestics and observed it, then… i'll leave that for your imagination.
I am still not getting it. Without mnestics how was he able to remember the descriptions at all? Training? Why does knowing the description and seeing this trigger a bad reaction (suicide?)? Knowing the description isn't the same as perceiving.
Also what does this organ even do? Shouldn't this be an avenue of research?
Yes, but perceiving it after knowing more than one description is what triggers the bad reaction. Perhaps comprehending too much of the SCP makes your brain explode, maybe it drive you mad, maybe it drives you to kill yourself. That is for you to imagine.
Also, good point with the purpose of the organ. I just added that right now.
I am still really fuzzy about how this is even possible. Dr. J wasn't taking mnestics, so it should have been impossible for him to remember the descriptions, right? Was it just his training that let him do that?
When I said the effect extended to all forms of communication, I didn't mean you cannot remember descriptions. Rather, if you have seen 2828, then you cannot understand descriptions of its texture, sound, etc.
Ah, I thought you meant that antimemetic effect that keeps us from perceiving it at all extends to all communication.
I can see how you thought that. Do you think I was too unclear?
can only be perceived and remembered through the use of Class-W or stronger mnestics
(emphasis mine)
Yes, definitely contradictory, I think.
Those test logs are really fucking hard to read, since they're all one giant block of text. Can you add line breaks to them?
This is alright. I like the core idea, and the use of mnestics (though I'm not fond of the idea of it being distributed worldwide, as you imply here with the containment procedures), but I'm not fond of the way it's done, and the discovery doesn't seem to add much from my viewpoint.
The expungements kill it, not because they're expungements, but because they seem arbitrary, and it kills interest I have in the article.
Thank you for the input (I'm being genuine). In the containment procedures, personnel are making sure no one is trying to produce effective mnestics. I will add line breaks soon, that is a good idea. However, I only redacted the descriptions because of the cognitohazardous effects that comprehending them present. The only other thing I redacted was what happens if you learn of two or more of its descriptions before observing it for yourself.
It certainly is unique, although being discovered by a Foundation scientist… uh, it kinda makes sense in context this time round. It adds on to the implication of using mnestics and the effects it has on one.
What the Heck, we need more antimemes around here.
That said, I personally think of mnestics as more of a secretive aspect of the Foundation.
we need more antimemes around here.
On it.
There are tons of antimemes here! Series V is practically all antimemes! You've read a bunch of them.
;p I see what you did there, but only antimemetics department know about/ have access to/ use mnestics so only they would be able to perceive the series V list entries
Downvoted. Give me something actually interesting to work with w/r/t what "knowing too much" does and I'll reconsider.
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Gonna agree with Decibelle on the test logs being unnecessarily difficult to parse.
As soon as I read that this thing was another potential fatal/madness-inducing sort of deal it was pretty much a downvote for me. You really didn't need that to pique my interest, I was already interested. Personally, I would have been much more okay with it being the case that those who had extensive prior knowledge of the organ simply lost all the knowledge they had once they perceive it with a particular sense, excluding any knowledge gained from that sense.
Also, it seems kind of dumb that the article would include a description of the sound the organ makes. I know it's only one sense, and it's a hypothetical description at that, but even then I don't think anyone would think it wise to potentially prime any reader for the hazardous effects, should the reader happen upon more descriptions involving other senses.
The antimemetics department tested the description and found it to be safe, as per Containment Procedures. I see where you are coming from though, and I only included the madness part because I thought it might not be interesting enough. Frankly, I just don't think most people on the site think the way we do, so tried to fit it to the readers' demands.
The primary issue with this article is the redaction of what happens when you know too much. You see, this kind of "fill in the blank" style is only effective when the rest of the article inspires the reader to be creative when they're filling in the blank.
However, nothing here (besides the fact that it was redacted) implies anything other than "they dropped dead". There's nothing in the article that suggests anything more. If the redaction isn't going to inspire, then in my opinion an explicit answer should be given. I mean, antimemes are fertile ground for weird deaths, so why not use something more creative and less "stand in for something boring"?
Good idea. Are there any suggestions to how I might make the article more inspirational for the reader?
Take the premise and run with it, instead of grounding it before you even get started. Pretend you have unquenchable scientific curiosity and have just discovered this thing. This is a springboard for some seriously wild speculative biology.
Now that it makes sense:
- I love the gonzo concept of an organ that we all have but nobody can see. +1
- I don't like that we are just told it is vestigial, and there's no exploration of what an invisible organ is for or how it evolved or why we don't need it. How do we know that it is vestigial? Do other primates have one? On what other organisms is it not vestigial? What happens if you surgically remove it? Can it then be perceived normally? Lots of questions, boring or absent exploration of them. - 1
- "What happens if you know about it before you perceive it?" isn't the first question I asked, it probably wouldn't be in the top five. "It kills you" is a boring answer and "redacted" is the most boring way to die. Boring answer to a question that I didn't ask. - 1
Recluctantly downvoted. Really this is a sad, well-written waste of a brilliant premise.
It is technically well written, doesn't involve a ginormous titanium cube, a generic creepypasta monster, and an overly described teenage girl with superpowers. So yeah, I guess. On the other hand it isn't SCP-1000, either.
On the third antimemetic limb nobody knows they have: a) I'm new here too and b) my first skip is currently at 46 and has over twice the rating of my second, which is about 50% more than my third (2-3 more and we see if the curve is asymptotic at 0). So I wouldn't use my opinion as an indicator of anything.
Upvoting as a vote of confidence. The idea speaks to me, your writing is decent and there's potential to polish this into a good mainlist candidate. Go for it, author. :)
Hmmm… on the one hand I like the uniqueness of a portion of the human body that's undetectable without mnestics. However, with x amount of anti-memetic researchers in the Foundation, and an included statement that Class-W amnestic regimen is standard among anti-memetic staff, I find it somewhat hard to comprehend that no one had noticed this organ before.
I mean, I understand it can only be perceived by one sense, but given that sight is the primary sense of the human organism, and the ear is commonly examined during routine check ups, would it not stand to reason that a medical officer in anti-memetics had noticed this organ before?
I like the idea, I've had a similar one, but that expungement has gotta go.
However, if said subject uses mnestics afterwards and attempts to observe SCP-2828 using any sense, [REDACTED].
That's a perfect example of bad redaction. It's just there to amp up the danger quotient without telling us anything.
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