SCP-4056 / Discussion

This is the discussion related to the wiki page SCP-4056.

Uncle Nicolini 09 Jul 2019 16:39

tippity tap tap tap
This article started as me pitching an idea about a Black Queen keeping a storage facility full of Doctor Gears in the End of Death timeline, because stricticly speaking, that is the safest timeline possible.
This suddenly became a character piece on Dr. Gears and him coming to accept his not quite daughter.

But anyway, thank you Tufto, Henzoid, Chandra, Rockteeth, and Darkstuff for reading this early.
Yall are great.

Image is here an is CC BY SA 2.0

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Captain Kirby 09 Jul 2019 16:40

Hooray for more end of death! Also hooray for a collab where I write more than like 2 sentences of the final product!

I hope you all enjoy the first Black Queen SCP (at least according to tag search :P).

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rattles 09 Jul 2019 17:11

sees EoD hub as parent page

slams +1 with all his might

ch00bakka 10 Jul 2019 00:33

love me some black queen action. +1.

Henzoid 10 Jul 2019 01:15

Upvoted because this proves that there exists a universe where Dr. Gears is a weeb.

But seriously

It's a really REALLY good take on a very, dare I say, overused sci-fi trope, and especially considering the 300 Brights scip, this one would have had to be extremely well written to pass.
LUCKILY, the power team of Nicolini and Kirby was up to the challenge, and this piece is both charmingly fun, and exceptionally well executed, to the point that I feel bad giving any critique at all.

However, there is one thing I think could use just a bit of work, which is the pacing of the dialogue, particularly at the end. It feels just a bit rushed, and I think having a slightly slower incline towards the "twist ending" would be somewhat preferable.

But again, having read this before it was posted, I can say that it was and still is a work of art, and I'm happy the concept was pursued.

Faraday Cage 11 Jul 2019 14:10

My Science Jimmies are so incredibly rustled right now.

Cold is not an energy.
Cold is defined as an ABSENCE of certain kind of energy.

Extremely fundamentally basic stuff.

Any/all parts of the skip that have to do with "energy obtained from cold" nuclear-blasted my suspension of disbelief into sub-atomic particles and gave me a scientific rage boner.

It's OK to write skips that have different laws of physics, but if you do, you cannot change the established definition of something in the real world physics system without creating and describing a new definition for the word "cold" and "energy" in your own radically different fictional physics system. Just make up a new word arbitrarily and define that as the concept of coldness in your skip physics. Please don't use the established definitions incorrectly.

Edit : "Energy derived from lack of heat" is worded somewhat less offensively but still bothers me a lot, because it wouldn't be "energy" as our physics systems defines it. Maybe I'm just over sensitive to science things, and that's fair enough. No-vote for now.

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Uncle Nicolini 11 Jul 2019 15:20

Cold is not an energy.
Cold is defined as an ABSENCE of certain kind of energy.

almost as if its… anomalous. 🤔

The Great Hippo 11 Jul 2019 20:24

Edit : "Energy derived from lack of heat" is worded somewhat less offensively but still bothers me a lot, because it wouldn't be "energy" as our physics systems defines it. Maybe I'm just over sensitive to science things, and that's fair enough. No-vote for now.

I think that this is an accurate assessment (and I'm glad you came to it on your own!).

It is true that cold is the absence of energy; nevertheless, deriving energy from the absence of energy does not redefine energy anymore than deriving hamburgers from the absence of hamburgers redefines hamburgers.

I'm just redefining where I can get a hamburger from.

Captain Kirby 11 Jul 2019 20:27

Welp, now I have to incorporate burger physics into my next skip.

Faraday Cage 19 Jul 2019 14:01

A hamborger is both a particle and a wave.

This is how dado deliver borger retrocausally

Anorrack 27 Sep 2019 03:58

It's not totally unsalvageable from a scientific view, maybe the author could make up some baloney about colder temperatures better for "extracting energy from quantum fluctuations," which is a passable excuse. But otherwise yeah, same feel here.

Yamatto 11 Jul 2019 23:26

I usually avoid EoD scps like the plague but this I like.
One query, just for personal satisfaction, is Anomalous Allison's father still alive?
It feels like it would be her motivation if he weren't.

Mew-ltiverse 14 Jul 2019 05:42

This is sooooo good. Dr. Gears has always been one of my favorite characters of the Foundation, and I enjoy seeing pieces about him. The story being told was absolutely amazing! It hit me right in the feels, rip. I was physically twisting and turning in my bed and gasping aloud, acting like a little child, haha.

I’ve always wanted to use Gears as a main character in an article, and now I want to even more now, aha. +++++++1!

Bluejay5656 09 Aug 2019 21:18

Always nice to read an EoD article with a positive tone. Successfully containing an Allison confused me a little, but that may just be because I'm only passingly familiar with the Black Queen canon. Reading well-written Gears dialogue is a pleasure.

+1

5150wned 07 Sep 2019 22:23

Read it all, +1. Didn't like it though.

PoI 4056 should be their own anomaly, separate from the location of 4056 itself. In fact, 4056 itself isn't anomalous, simply the equipment and energy source within it. In fact since the focus of the piece is the character development of the Black Queen, is it really necessary to have indestructible brain vats and energy from cold?

The more I think about this the less I like it, even. Really, what's the anomaly here? Foundation guards need to be stationed in northern Alaska? What civilian is going to be wandering the arctic circle? I could understand if they needed to be there in order to capture additional PoI-4056 but that contingency isn't mentioned, that's my brain doing the work to make sense where there is none.

adirtyshame 18 Feb 2020 18:33

I know it's kind of cheesy but this is one of my very favorites because of the misty eyed warm fuzzies I get every time.