a few SCP-XXXX's but its alright. +1 i'm my oppinion
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This is very interesting, these Scp's could hold a key to our evolution, +1 it's awesome!
I like the idea of pre-human intelligence, and like even more the idea of survivors. However, this does little with the idea, except maybe, "They have a lunatic in their midst."
This reads like a weird mishmash of SCP-163, SCP-1342, SCP-1000. It's far from the worst skip I've ever read, but perhaps a little too ambitious for a first. Very tentative upvote. Welcome to the overambition club, friend.
Edit: Dude, your first skip got an 'almost upvote' from Kalinin. Mad props.
(account deleted)Well, it certainly reads like a scientific document. That cuts both ways on this article; it's detailed enough to induce that pleasing "this could totally be a real-world writeup of something" feeling while reading something, however it's also excessively detailed for significant stretches. I felt like the containment procedures were a bit of a slog, and the number of times these things ram themselves against an aquarium and the exquisite detail in which those incidents are related is a bit oppressive.
The idea at the article's core is, I think, fairly interesting. Previously dominant species of extremely weird creatures escapes an extinction event and lies in stasis for millions of years, only to be captured, experimented upon, and eventually driven mad by what they must view to be nightmarish monsters. The fact that we cannot communicate with them actually helps to underscore how incomprehensible this all must be for them, which is terrifying to contemplate.
I feel, though, that this previously dominant species and the ramifications of their existence aren't really adequately dealt with. Given the rest of this article, I don't need an extensive history or even any real explanation of these things. But some kind of hints around the edges on this, at least recognizing the fact that there would be an asston of unanswered questions (why aren't these in the fossil record? what happened to all traces of their civilization? is their technology superior or fundamentally different than ours, given their spaceflight capabilities?), would be good. The way the article is written now, there's no real accounting for how monumental a discovery like this would be.
Also, I'm not sure this really affects my vote per se, but the vision of a Foundation that can routinely hijack sophisticated space observation laboratories and send people into space clandestinely stretches my suspension of disbelief a bit. Those are unbelievably complex and difficult activities for any organization, much less a clandestine one. That's kind of of a matter of my own personal vision, but I do think there are logical arguments to be made why that's unlikely.
It's not that far from an upvote, really, but a few of the moving parts in this are miscalibrated, and in a narrative as dry as this one, those all have to be working.
I tried to give the implication that they were wiped out by the GOE, seeing as they're methane breathers that lived a little over two billion years ago. As for technology, hmmmm… That actually made me think of something that could completely undue the article - For any sort of advanced technology you need refined metal, for refined metal you need to be able to smelt metal, to smelt metal you need fire, and for fire you need to not live underwater. Maybe I should add some sort of hint of extraterrestrial uplifting or something?
But does it have to be metal? Corals can do some impressive things, and leave behind exoskeletons when they die. We assume technology means metal, but why couldn't things be built of rock and calcium deposits?
That'd hide them better too, if their tech looked like odd rocks. And as for radio signals, make that somehow work like electric eels do? No clue how to turn electricity in radio waves, but you can get electricity out of aquatic beasties.
Remember, the ways and order in which humans went about learning to build stuff isn't the only way to do things. There's other ways to work metal than fire forging, for instance- electroplating, acid etching, cold forging, chemical deposition… Really, once they had a nascient industrial base built up they could start using things like geothermal heat from deep sea vents, electric heating elements, or thermite-style self-oxidizing reagents to build hot forges, too.
To make radio waves: Obtain oscillating source of electric current. Attach conductive stick, bowl, or wire (aka antenna or transceiver dish). Ability to control frequency or amplitude of oscillation to fine tune signal optional.
This was not badly written but I didn't feel anything as a reader. The lack of Accident Log C also felt like it needed more context than the line in -D about containment procedure changes. No vote for now but I may give this another reading in a couple days to see if I can appreciate the characterizations of the organisms more.
Thanks for bringing up incident C, actually. People on the forums were telling me that the incident reports were dragging on a bit, so I deleted some stuff from them to make them shorter, including all of -C. I must have forgotten to change the reports beneath it when I deleted it, but the letters are fixed now.
Cyclopian, this gets an upvote from me in part just for making a cool critter that does not involve the phrases "rage state" or "killed ███ personel".
The rest is for making me empathize with the entities. I think you could push this a bit further, even, by giving us some insight into the reactions of the remaining two sane(or at least less insane) creatures- do they mourn for the dead entity? Comfort each other? Does it drive a wedge between them, and cause them to become hostile to each other as well? All sorts of directions you could go there.
Technically, -2 and -4 do have rage states… but they're more like actions of depressed and desperate people than typical d-list movie monsters. I'm guessing those two were male, but they're weird plant people, so maybe sex doesn't apply.
Also, author, these are sapient, not just sentient. Parrots are sentient. That doesn't mean they can build spaceships.
Well, I'm not going to be the one to break it to Lord Blackwood, but sea slugs are hermaphrodites. So I doubt sex applies here. Of course, sea slugs don't build spaceships any more than parrots do, so I don't know where the similarities to their modern cousins end.
Also, I think Scorpion was commenting on the scip not copping out by saying "entered a rage state" but actually described wtf happened.
^ Partly that, and partly because trying to escape from the the future-apes' laboratory and going mad from confinement is an entirely different thing from "if it seez someone wearin a orange hat et kills everybodyz. Also whenefer it feels liek raging."
Am I to understand that the Foundation is using the shock collar in order to prevent further suicide attempts? Poor things.
+1
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